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Conservatives, Cut Bush Slack
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 22, 2002 | Thomas Roeser

Posted on 06/22/2002 9:46:05 AM PDT by quidnunc

This summer will mark the 47th year since I took my first Republican job: as public relations director for the party in Minnesota. Since then I have rarely strayed from politics, or my party. I served as a staffer to two GOP congressmen, to a GOP governor, as a federal appointee to Richard Nixon and as a corporate executive who supported in Washington and Springfield much, if not all, of the Republican agenda.

You can describe me as a conservative. Thus I am qualified to say that although I dearly love conservatives, they tend to be querulous, disagreeable and threaten revolt when Republican office-holders don't please them. So it is now with George W. Bush. Here is a president who has surprised us all with the firmness and resolve he showed after 9/11. I must tell you I voted for him with less enthusiasm than I had for many of his predecessors. But his administration has pleased me often — most notably on two issues: defense of America and social policy.

Yet, Bush has to get re-elected in a country that is evenly divided on philosophy. Thus he must occasionally — on matters that sometimes offend conservatives — dip into the other side's ideology for support. He has done so on three notable occasions: on the issue of steel protectionism, where he departed his free-market proclamations; on the signing of a campaign finance bill tailored by his enemies, and allowing his attorney general (in the words of Libertarian Nat Hentoff in the Washington Times) "to send disguised agents into religious institutions, libraries and meetings of citizens critical of government policy without a previous complaint, or reason to believe that a crime has been committed."

In a perfect political world, where conservatives are in the majority, these things would be sufficient to encourage a boycott of the polls. Either that or a protest vote for the Democratic opposition. But we are not in a perfect world. We conservatives have a president who didn't receive a majority of the votes, and has one house of Congress against him. He must make compromises to get re-elected. Conservatives who do not understand the nature of politics ought to stay in their air-conditioned ivory towers and refrain from political activity altogether. If they cannot adjudge the stakes in this election and the difference between Bush and an Al Gore or a John Kerry (D-Mass.) or a Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.), they are foolish indeed.

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To: WIMom
Reponsiblity? -- He has all the power, so certainy he is responsible for the direction it takes.
-- You see on this thread where partisan politics leads. FR can be better than that.
1,621 posted on 06/23/2002 4:30:02 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Really, who has the power, the people who express intelligent ideas or Jim who put it all together to give us this ability? I respect Jim for his vision and foresight in creating this forum, but if we posters do not frequent the sight, post our ideas, express our opinions, what has Jim created? A site like all the rest. What makes this place special is our ability to communicate with each other, exchange ideas and use those ideas to defeat the liberals in our communities. I've seen and read many comments and opinions where I thought, 'we need to use that method next time.' I see this forum as a condiut, as a method for like minded individuals to create change within their own communities. Jim does not set the agenda, he gives us a forum to work together to defeat our enemies.
1,622 posted on 06/23/2002 4:37:29 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: Roscoe
Just what are my 'prejudices', in your opinion, oh mighty roscoe?

-- And why do you have the insane idea that I 'blame' JR for anything?
1,623 posted on 06/23/2002 4:38:03 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
1. We are divided at FR, imo, by being overly focused on partisan politics, as you seem to agree. - And only JR can lead us to change that focus.

2. And why do you have the insane idea that I 'blame' JR for anything?

Your own words.

1,624 posted on 06/23/2002 4:41:43 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: WIMom
Exactly, he sets the guidelines for a working forum. -- And imo, partisan politics isn't working this time either.
1,625 posted on 06/23/2002 4:42:25 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Just what are my 'prejudices', in your opinion, oh mighty roscoe?

-- And why do you have the insane idea that I 'blame' JR for anything?
1623




1. We are divided at FR, imo, by being overly focused on partisan politics, as you seem to agree. - And only JR can lead us to change that focus.

2. And why do you have the insane idea that I 'blame' JR for anything?

Your own words.
1624




Indeed they are. I see no 'prejudice', -- no 'blame'.
Just my honest opinion.

And your insane attempt to make them blameworthy. - Give it up.
1,626 posted on 06/23/2002 4:49:34 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
So, it appears as if you are not happy discussing issues that may not be up to your political mindset. I may not agree with you all the way, you may not agree with me all the way. But do you agree that using the best conservative ideas, whether they are yours or mine to defeat the liberal agenda is what most people on this forum strive for? The bottom line is ----- exterminate liberals from government. Some want to see it happen in 3 months, others feel it will take years. What I do know is it won't happen if we have factions between ourselves. We need to put aside our micro political differences and look at the macro conservative agenda.
1,627 posted on 06/23/2002 4:54:25 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: Sabertooth
Much better tiger! Thanks!
1,628 posted on 06/23/2002 4:59:15 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Joe Hadenuf; Jim Robinson
Posted by Jim Robinson to Joe Hadenuf
On News/Activism
^ Jun 23 1:59 AM #1,037 of 1,627 ^

Define globalism.

Well, I was hoping to get a definition. Will there be one?

1,629 posted on 06/23/2002 5:06:51 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: WIMom
We are divided, and isn't that what liberals strive for? Divide and conquer?
Why are we divided?



1,630 posted on 06/23/2002 5:07:24 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Miss Marple
You're welcome. And thanks for your nice comments on the compliment thread.



1,631 posted on 06/23/2002 5:09:16 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: WIMom
So, it appears as if you are not happy discussing issues that may not be up to your political mindset.




So, it appears that you are going to claim I'm not "happy discussing issues" that may not be up to my "political mindset".

- This a real old debating tactic. How bout we skip it?

1,632 posted on 06/23/2002 5:09:21 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: for-q-clinton
Well, the general understanding is that a President has 4 years to deliver on his promises.

So far:

Promise to lower taxes...kept.
Promise to refuse to sign on to Kyoto..kept.
Promise to pass education bill...kept except for vouchers.
Promise to go for missile defense shield...kept.
Promise to rebuild the military...in process.
Promise to uphold the dignity of the office...kept.
Promise to help steelworkers...kept (although I know a lot of people didn't like the tariffs).
Promise to have faith based initiatives...kept, waiting on the Senate.
Promise to have an energy plan....kept, waiting on the Senate.
Promise to reform Social Security....partially kept, commission appointed.
CFR...Promise to veto broken, although the bill before the Congress was not the one he discussed in the campaign. I think I would, however, consider this a flip-flop for political reasons.

Personally, I think he is doing a pretty good job in keeping his promises.

1,633 posted on 06/23/2002 5:19:38 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I think Reagan would leave the Republican Party as it stands now. But I agree with you, the name calling and slammin round here needs to stop. We are suppose to be grown ups and be able to have a debate without resorting to those tactics. I can't imagine how bad the Civil War must have been, there are people I like a great deal on both sides of this issue, going at each other...not a good thing.

If I may put forward a humble suggestion to moderates, call the Party and tell them how much you resent the split they have caused. And bear in mind, they are the ones responsible for the fear and the protective reflex action that is going on around here on both sides of the issue. Put on a little Billy Joel, ...we didn't start the fire...it was always burning since the world's been turning...we didn't start the fire...and call your local RNC and give them a kick in the shins...do it for the "gipper".=o)

1,634 posted on 06/23/2002 5:20:21 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Sabertooth
Because we nit pit amongst ourselves.
1,635 posted on 06/23/2002 5:20:59 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: tpaine
I hate to admit it, but I have no training on debate skills. So, if you just complimented me, thanks. (My oldest kid is fantastic in debate and forensics, even went to the nationals - do I match up?) I just look at the overall picture and make comments.
1,636 posted on 06/23/2002 5:24:33 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: MissAmericanPie
You have a good suggestion. I agree, but one step further.... We, FR posters, are educated, intelligent, and 'up' on the latest conservative issues. I would suggest we work together, be it the fast, aggressive approach, or the slower, 'let's solidify our base' approach. We can agree some areas need the coddling, some don't. Whatever works for the common agenda, which is to defeat liberals.
1,637 posted on 06/23/2002 5:31:30 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: MissAmericanPie
So, all of the rancor is someone else's fault?

I will accept my share of the responsibility for the arguments here, but I would think that the other side could also accept a share. Instead, you are saying that it's not your fault, because the RNC and President Bush didn't do what you wanted them to do.

In my opinion, this is not any sort of concession. I call and express my opinion to the White House and the RNC on each issue. If things don't turn out the way I would like, I must assume that either more people disagreed with me OR the White House has an overriding need to go against popular opinion.

If it is the latter, time will tell whether the President was right or the popular opinion ws correct.

1,638 posted on 06/23/2002 5:35:16 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: WIMom
Because we nit pit amongst ourselves.

I don't think that's it.

We are divided, primarily, by our different reactions to President Bush's policies. Did you catch my post at #1361?




1,639 posted on 06/23/2002 6:02:41 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Miss Marple
Arguments are fine, that's what debate is about, civil arguments based on facts presented. So I don't see that you need to apologize for arguments. I haven't followed your posts so I don't know if you have insulted anyone by name calling.

It's really not as simple as you paint it. Immature people being upset about not getting their way and deciding to be in a snit about it, or throw a tantrum. What is at stake here is a little more critical to America's future than that. We already have one liberal party, we don't need to fight two liberal parties in order to promote conservative principles, now do we?

If you don't hold conservative principles it's no problem for you, but painting those who are concerned with the direction the country, and the Party are taking with a wide brush as pouting over a single issue, misses the mark entirely and doesn't really contribute to a solution.

Shook up conservatives can't really be talked down to like children and made to get into line with a liberal agenda that they feel will destroy America. They are not going to forget they love their country are they? They won't throw down America's future just to be liked, accepted, feel like part of the gang, or earn someone's approval.

So it's really not a matter of disagreeing with a few bills passed, or a single agenda, it's a matter of the fact that Bush has made it clear that he intends to move the Republican Party far left, now and forever more, and if conservatives balk about the Party no longer being conservative then he is willing to jettison conservatives that don't fall into line. Is it ok with you for some of us to be in a snit about that?

1,640 posted on 06/23/2002 6:11:50 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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