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To: Miss Marple
Arguments are fine, that's what debate is about, civil arguments based on facts presented. So I don't see that you need to apologize for arguments. I haven't followed your posts so I don't know if you have insulted anyone by name calling.

It's really not as simple as you paint it. Immature people being upset about not getting their way and deciding to be in a snit about it, or throw a tantrum. What is at stake here is a little more critical to America's future than that. We already have one liberal party, we don't need to fight two liberal parties in order to promote conservative principles, now do we?

If you don't hold conservative principles it's no problem for you, but painting those who are concerned with the direction the country, and the Party are taking with a wide brush as pouting over a single issue, misses the mark entirely and doesn't really contribute to a solution.

Shook up conservatives can't really be talked down to like children and made to get into line with a liberal agenda that they feel will destroy America. They are not going to forget they love their country are they? They won't throw down America's future just to be liked, accepted, feel like part of the gang, or earn someone's approval.

So it's really not a matter of disagreeing with a few bills passed, or a single agenda, it's a matter of the fact that Bush has made it clear that he intends to move the Republican Party far left, now and forever more, and if conservatives balk about the Party no longer being conservative then he is willing to jettison conservatives that don't fall into line. Is it ok with you for some of us to be in a snit about that?

1,640 posted on 06/23/2002 6:11:50 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
The whole argument, as I see it, is that some people do not believe in incrementalism and compromise. Therre are a few things I will not compromise on, like partial birth abortion. Things like the farm bill and steel tariffs are, on the other hand, unfortunate but necessary trades for other things we want, like votes for conservative senators and support for the war.

Other people feel that any non-conservative compromise is giving in to the enemy. I do not agree with this way of thinking. I understand that people hate to see long-cherished principles unsupported by the President, but I am looking at other goals, like winning the war and taking back the Senate.

It is quite possible that you are correct, and we are giving away too much. On the other hand, it is also possible that the course that the President has selected (and which I support) is correct.

The President did not campaign on jailing Bill Clinton, abolishing the departments of Education and HHS, or pulling us out of the UN. Gripes about those positions are ridiculous, as far as I am concerned. Becaue Bush is more conservative than Gore (which he is) it is unfair to gripe that he isn't taking the most extreme views of conservatives. He never said he would, and I did not expect him to do so. He campaigned as a uniter, not a divider.

Now, on certain issues I am less than thrilled...education for one. However, I look at the sum total of the President's work, and I also keep in mind what we could have had instead.

If you are worried about certain issues, call or write the White House. That is what I do. It gives them an idea of what the average person is thinking. However, I ask you to also keep in mind that when we have a democrat Senate, a popular vote minority, and a hostile media, President Bush has accomplished a lot in his first 18 months. Is it eveything we want? Of course not. But is it pretty good? I think so.

Do you write or call the White House to praise those things you agree with? Did you send a note of encouragement after we pulled out of the World Court? How about when he ditched Kyoto? How about when he pulled out of the ABM treaty? Those are things that would have NEVER happened with a dem as president.

In my opinion, those who are griping about domestic issues are allowing the media to set the agenda. Who in the heck would have really cared about that farm bill if Rush hadn't ranted about it for three days? Most people don't even know about it to this day. And most of the gripers don't ever dare mention that Reagan passed a farm bill as well, nor that Quayle was on Fox supporting the President, even though he had passed this dreaded bill.

That is where I stand on this. Those who think the country is in peril are correct...but it is not because of passage of CFR, the Farm Bill, or the Education Bill. We are in peril because we are at war, we have a fifth colummn in this country made up of non-Arabs as well as Muslims, and we have a hostile media.

1,656 posted on 06/23/2002 6:46:12 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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