WESTERFIELD TRIAL: Week Three - Day Four

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[NatureGirl]

Here's the new thread, all ready for Thursday.

Testimony recently discussed includes fingerprint evidence, as well as Westerfield's clean laundry. The Van Dam home was (strangely) devoid of fingerprints, except for a couple of latents that didn't match any of the pizza party people or, apparently, David Westerfield.

Westerfield's motorhome didn't contain any of his fingerprints, but did have one print from Danielle L. (the daughter of Westerfield's ex-girlfriend), Jennifer (a friend of Danielle L.), and a partial from Danielle Van Dam.

The prosecution said yesterday that they would be finished "in seven court days".

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

No finger prints of DW in the house huh? Interesting...

It is, isn't it? If there's no trace or DNA either, how do they put him in that house?

This is a situation where modern forensics cuts both ways. Now it is almost expected to prove a criminal's presence, if you know what I mean. No prints, no trace evidence, no DNA.......was he there?????

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Whose prints were found in the VD house?

Known family and friends and one unidentifiable. No Westerfield.

[Jaded]

I noticed on another forum that when talking about the unID'd print in the VD house, there are people that think that it's irrelevant. Everything is relevant, except maybe the boxers and the juicy lube.

[sbnsd]

It is, isn't it? If there's no trace or DNA either, how do they put him in that house?

Does the "no trace or DNA" include the 2 sets of closet doors that were removed?

[John Jamieson]

The subject of porn on David Westerfield’s computer has me really worried. If this is used to help convict a man of murder, we are all in trouble. We don’t control what’s in our computer’s anymore than we can control what goes into our regular mailbox, and are probably a lot less aware of it!

If some jerk sends you porn you can throw it away (LE found it in your garbage) or maybe it would be better to burn it (LE found evidence that you tried to destroy evidence of porn), you could take it the post office and file a complaint (calling attention yourself).

If your have say a 20 gig hard drive, you have space for maybe a million dirty pictures. If you try to erase them, they don’t really go away (very easy for LE to find). They can be hidden in other file types (LE uses signature analysis to detect images hidden in other types of files).

Do a simple test and do file find for just *.jpg. I’ll bet you have no idea what many of them are (The porno hunters will though). Any of them have suggestive names? Or meaningless numbers?

If a young child was sexual molested and killed in your neighborhood tomorrow, would some of your neighbors say you didn’t like kids, or you did like kids, or maybe that you liked kids too much? Which one would make you a non-suspect? So you let ‘em search your home. Any strange fibers, or fingerprints, or blood drops. Do you buy bleach, or oxyclean? Is your home too messy, too clean or just right.

Do you own a knife collection (400 for $100 on late night TV) a gun or binoculars or a telescope. Booze or dope in your home. Any “bomb” making chemicals like fertilizer and gasoline? Firecrackers? Do you own pliers or a pipe wrench? Any old pieces of pipe lieing around. Gun powder for reloading? Strange tools?

I’m going to reformat my hard drives now, bye!

[Rheo]

I find it very odd that his prints were not in the MH...would like to know where they printed for him...when they say no prints...did they print the steering wheel and door handle and there were none or just print odd spots and then say no prints?

[RnMomof7]

I just "lifted" it from another freeper..neat huh?

[GoRepGo]

Somewhere, I heard someone bring up the idea, that the unidentified print on the bannister,was in such a position and angle that it looked as if someone were leaning over the railing to see if the coast was clear.

[Karson]

Whose prints were found in the VD house?

I only heard them talk about 3 specific prints and one of them belonged to PDvD and 2 were un-identified. I'm waiting for the transcripts to be posted so that I can understand it better.

[Rheo]

Did the expert on after Jeff Graham have anything to add regarding the prints?

Was it determined that the pizza party peoples prints did not show up in the house at all or was that just on the stairway?

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Somewhere, I heard someone bring up the idea, that the unidentified print on the bannister,was in such a position and angle that it looked as if someone were leaning over the railing to see if the coast was clear

It was described as sort of upside-down. It was exactly opposite of what it should be if heading that direction on the stairs.

[UCANSEE2]

Thank you ever so much. Wonderful job too!

Tomorrow, you can , if you wish, pass the torch to someone else.

Sweet Dreams !

[Valpal1]

TO:JOHN JAMIESON "People become perverts by their personal actions, not what might be found in their surroundings or what they read or look at. It's clear to me that the VDs meet the criteria much more clearly."

How can we judge his actions, lifestyle and social activites? By what do we judge? The socioeconomic status, which is similar to the vd's? That he has patents..how old are they? Does he travel to italy for his work like damon would have? Were his adult parties abnormal? How do we know what his adult parties were like? Heck, we don't even know if he really has had any. Only what he told brenda..

WHY do we not have the answers to these questions? Not important to this case or what?

Exactly what DO WE know about his social life...OOOPS..that information has not been given. We can't say that his lifestyle was great because we have no information to judge...

There are perverted collections..and the rape animations and photos of rapes of little girls are perverted collections IMHO. To those who say "There's no proof of photos of pre-pubescent girls" and to that I say...we'll see. (remember the opening statement slide show) By his perverted actions/choices, he kept the child pornography on his puter. By his own choice.

To those who say that the parents are not victims...as a parent who was victimized cuz her daughter was victimize in a traumatic way....the parents are victims.... I maintain that even parents who party can grieve...and grieving should NOT be an issue.

Kim

[Karson]

I find it very odd that his prints were not in the MH...would like to know where they printed for him...when they say no prints...did they print the steering wheel and door handle and there were none or just print odd spots and then say no prints?

If I heard correctly -- and I'm not sure I did -- the evidence tech said the cab of the MH wasn't checked for prints. Everyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[John Jamieson]

Over half the calls were to/from Jackie, the others are probably to his home (Neal?).

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Does the "no trace or DNA" include the 2 sets of closet doors that were removed?

I was only projecting "no trace, no DNA". We don't know yet.

[nycgal]

I missed the staircase testimony. What side of the staircase, looking up, is the bannister?...and in what direction is the handprint pointing? If the bannister is on the right side, and a right handprint is pointing downward, then I would agree with your earlier post that someone was checking to see if "the coast is clear". Does that make sense?

[UCANSEE2]

Hey, JJ. Kim asked me to post this so you could read it.

"People become perverts by their personal actions, not what might be found in their surroundings or what they read or look at. It's clear to me that the VDs meet the criteria much more clearly."

How can we judge his actions, lifestyle and social activites? By what do we judge? The socioeconomic status, which is similar to the vd's? That he has patents..how old are they? Does he travel to italy for his work like damon would have? Were his adult parties abnormal? How do we know what his adult parties were like? Heck, we don't even know if he really has had any. Only what he told brenda.

WHY do we not have the answers to these questions? Not important to this case or what?

Exactly what DO WE know about his social life...OOOPS..that information has not been given. We can't say that his lifestyle was great because we have no information to judge...

There are perverted collections..and the rape animations and photos of rapes of little girls are perverted collections IMHO. To those who say "There's no proof of photos of pre-pubescent girls" and to that I say...we'll see. (remember the opening statement slide show) By his perverted actions/choices, he kept the child pornography on his puter. By his own choice.

To those who say that the parents are not victims...as a parent who was victimized cuz her daughter was victimize in a traumatic way....the parents are victims.... I maintain that even parents who party can grieve...and grieving should NOT be an issue.

Kim

[Karson]

Somewhere, I heard someone bring up the idea, that the unidentified print on the bannister,was in such a position and angle that it looked as if someone were leaning over the railing to see if the coast was clear.

Yes, I posted that on the last thread after conducting an experiment in my own home. I have stairs also, and couldn't picture what the guy was talking about. Went upstairs and started back down and then could see the only way --IMO-- it would make sense to have a handprint in that manner.

[Rheo]

Thanks...hadn't heard that they didn't check the cab for prints....seems odd as that is where a blood spot was found...on the curtain over the front window.

Anyone else verify where they printed for DW in the MH??