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Bar owners may get jail time for allowing smoking
The Record.com ^ | June 18, 2002 | JEFF OUTHIT

Posted on 06/18/2002 12:12:08 PM PDT by SheLion

WATERLOO REGION -- Stubborn bar owners may face jail for letting their customers smoke in Waterloo Region. Health staff have proposed asking justices of the peace for orders prohibiting convicted owners from breaking the smoking bylaw.

Owners could then be jailed for contempt of court if they breach the order and permit smoking.

It's thought the jail threat may be what's needed to dissuade 28 hard core premises that continue to flout the smoking ban after two years.

"What we are doing is stepping up the process basically to the maximum," said Brian Hatton, the region's director of environmental health.

"What we want is compliance. We don't want anybody to go to jail."

Alternatively, the region could seek Superior Court injunctions compelling owners to obey the no-smoking bylaw, an approach being tried in Ottawa with six proprietors.

The injunction approach could result in an order to close down a bar, or a jail sentence for its owner.

Both approaches could see bar owners face fines exceeding the current maximum of $5,000 for violating the smoking bylaw.

But some think jailing offenders is going too far, even though they want better enforcement.

Coun. Jane Brewer of Cambridge said she's "not convinced it's one of those things" that requires a jail sentence.

"I think there are other remedies that need to be looked at before we get to that," Brewer said.

The jail threat seems like overkill to Paul Weber, a Maryhill tavern owner who contends he's losing business to bars that flout the smoking ban.

"I think it's a little bit much," Weber said.

"You don't go to jail for beating people up in the park any more, so I don't know why you should go to jail for not enforcing the smoking bylaw?"

The jail threat is part of a proposed enforcement crackdown aimed at 28 stubborn establishments.

Councillors have also been advised to reassign six public health inspectors to help police the ban.

They would target the holdout establishments with repeated plainclothes visits.

As well, it's proposed the region stop giving bar owners three warnings in advance of charges.

Health staff say the crackdown, to be considered by councillors today, addresses complaints that a few establishments are stealing business away from 99 per cent of the industry that complies with the ban.

It comes a week after council tightened its bylaw by banning smoking at private functions like weddings and corporate events.

The next step for future debate, health staff say, is for council to reconsider smoking in taxis, workplaces, and private clubs like Royal Canadian Legion halls.

Unlike other communities, Waterloo Region exempted these places from its smoking ban.

Health staff now contend that some private clubs are admitting members of the public to smoke.

Also, extending the ban to these places would meet the region's goals by protecting employees and others from second-hand smoke.

Extra enforcement would come by reassigning six of 26 public health inspectors away from duties like food inspection and infection control, on a part-time basis.

The smoking ban is enforced by two bylaw officers. But their effectiveness is limited because they are widely recognized by owners.

In the meantime, it's also proposed that the region:

Continue educating the public about the dangers of smoking.

Consider new ways to conduct anti-smoking investigations.

Ask courts to impose big fines against repeat offenders.

Publicize the names of convicted owners in reports to council, as is done with food-safety violations.

Continue to advise the province's liquor licensing agency of establishments that violate the bylaw, to put their liquor licence at risk.

SMOKING INFRACTIONS

Today, people can be fined but not jailed for illegal smoking in enclosed public places.

€ 898 individuals have been convicted of illegal smoking. Most have faced fines reaching $255.

€ 19 proprietors have been convicted of permitting smoking. The highest fine has been $3,000. Most fines have been $1,000 or more.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Canada; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; tobacco
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To: freeeee
They have pubs for everyone there....even family pubs. And of course dogs are allowed. Last time I saw the stats, U.K. pet owners spend more per capita than any other pet owners!
41 posted on 06/18/2002 12:48:35 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: Lorenb420
They are $23 a carton in Marion County Florida. $9 is cheep
42 posted on 06/18/2002 12:48:42 PM PDT by lucky7
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To: SheLion
"What we want is compliance.

HAIL HITLER! The politically correct though oppressors are knocking at the door. You have no free will!

43 posted on 06/18/2002 12:48:45 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: captain11
There are bars in the L.A. area that allow smoking and they are NOT owner-operated. What these dumb laws have created is a nice way for cops and politicians to make some easy money on the sly.
44 posted on 06/18/2002 12:49:58 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: SheLion
The jail threat is part of a proposed enforcement crackdown aimed at 28 stubborn establishments.

Those who will not obey the liberal oppressors. They have not been successfully mind controled to remain in the new United Socialist States of America, the land of the thought collective.

45 posted on 06/18/2002 12:51:26 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: SheLion
I don't think you will ever see it gentle and peaceful, ned!

Well, actually it's already pretty gentle and peaceful for me most of the time.

What are you going to do with us die hard Conservatives who are fighting for our rights? Answer me that one.

When our time has come, they will dispose of you and me just like they've disposed of all who have come before us. What do you suppose became of all the poodle skirts?

What are you going to do with we Americans who refuse to go "down under" just because the nazi few say it's going to happen? Please answer me on this.

Everyone should stick up for their rights, including those who smoke tobacco. I don't like to see the Government's heavy-handed tactics any more than you do. I'm on your side in that regard. However, it does seem like most in society have decreed a death sentence for tobacco smoking.

46 posted on 06/18/2002 12:52:05 PM PDT by ned
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To: SheLion
If I had my way

Smoking Bar-Nonsmokers not allowed, without signing damage waiver.

Smokin' Airlines: Attention all customers, non-smokers not allowed on these flights. Ticket policy clearly states all Middle Easterners subject to minute search, no exceptions, acceptance of ticket creates automatic acceptance of this policy. All pilots armed, all flight attendants armed.

I'd be willing to bet that both ventures would be money makers.

47 posted on 06/18/2002 12:53:20 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: SheLion
"Am I my brothers keeper?"

When did Bar Keeps become "enforcement agents"?

For that matter, when did cops, who used to be called "Peace Officers" become "Enforcement Agents"?

Does an "Enforcement Agent" belong in "America", or in some dictatorship someplace?

48 posted on 06/18/2002 12:53:26 PM PDT by RISU
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To: SheLion
"What we want is compliance. We don't want anybody to go to jail."

What a joke !! What they REALLY want is for everyone to become serfs and lick the boots of tyranny. Before you know it these same serfs will be on their knees begging the government for food.

49 posted on 06/18/2002 12:54:28 PM PDT by unixfox
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To: steve50
Have these idiots ever thought of just hanging a sign on the front door, designating the bar as either smoking permitted or non smoking, and letting the consumer make his choice which he wishes to support.

What? You think this country was built on free market economics? Only government knows what's best for us.

50 posted on 06/18/2002 12:54:32 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: RISU
For that matter, when did cops, who used to be called "Peace Officers" become "Enforcement Agents"?

Just before the "Patriot Act" was passed, I think.

51 posted on 06/18/2002 12:55:20 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: captain11
Sounds like they might fruitfully adopt the private club concept, wherein an establishment is no longer public and imposes a nominal annual membership fee (e.g. $5 US, which can be discounted from an initial cover charge, where applicable). The private clubs can allow smoking or not.

You have a great idea there!

52 posted on 06/18/2002 12:56:06 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Bella_Bru
And whose decision will it be for us to transition?? Certainly not the government's, but some folks seem to be pushing hard for that.

I don't think that the Government can effectively stop people from smoking. I just think that it's going to be harder for the tobacco industry to get new recruits in the future. I really don't know how I would go about trying to talk a nonsmoker into becoming a smoker. Seems like a tough sell to me.

53 posted on 06/18/2002 12:57:24 PM PDT by ned
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To: SheLion
"What we are doing is stepping up the process basically to the maximum," said Brian Hatton, the region's director of environmental health.

If they don't comply we're gonna SHOOT 'em. THAT sounds like the maximum they're after to me.

54 posted on 06/18/2002 12:57:34 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Bella_Bru
Bella! I'm with YOU!

I smoke before and after EVERYthing! LOL!

55 posted on 06/18/2002 12:57:42 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I'd be willing to bet that both ventures would be money makers.

I'd fly that airline every time, even though I don't smoke. Box-cutter this, Achmed.

56 posted on 06/18/2002 12:57:44 PM PDT by captain11
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To: lucky7
That's $9 MORE a carton, not $9 a carton.
57 posted on 06/18/2002 12:59:25 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: SheLion
they should just smoke pot - that's ok
58 posted on 06/18/2002 1:00:47 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: captain11
I'd fly that airline every time, even though I don't smoke. Box-cutter this, Achmed

I knew I should have a policy allowing non-smokers who merely had the simple desire to fly safely. Amazing how easy it could be, isn't it.

59 posted on 06/18/2002 1:01:53 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: concerned about politics
You have a great idea there!

Not original with me, but it works. Such clubs exist in numerous locales where club members enjoy staying out later than the public bedtime edict would allow.

60 posted on 06/18/2002 1:03:20 PM PDT by captain11
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