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Bar owners may get jail time for allowing smoking
The Record.com ^ | June 18, 2002 | JEFF OUTHIT

Posted on 06/18/2002 12:12:08 PM PDT by SheLion

WATERLOO REGION -- Stubborn bar owners may face jail for letting their customers smoke in Waterloo Region. Health staff have proposed asking justices of the peace for orders prohibiting convicted owners from breaking the smoking bylaw.

Owners could then be jailed for contempt of court if they breach the order and permit smoking.

It's thought the jail threat may be what's needed to dissuade 28 hard core premises that continue to flout the smoking ban after two years.

"What we are doing is stepping up the process basically to the maximum," said Brian Hatton, the region's director of environmental health.

"What we want is compliance. We don't want anybody to go to jail."

Alternatively, the region could seek Superior Court injunctions compelling owners to obey the no-smoking bylaw, an approach being tried in Ottawa with six proprietors.

The injunction approach could result in an order to close down a bar, or a jail sentence for its owner.

Both approaches could see bar owners face fines exceeding the current maximum of $5,000 for violating the smoking bylaw.

But some think jailing offenders is going too far, even though they want better enforcement.

Coun. Jane Brewer of Cambridge said she's "not convinced it's one of those things" that requires a jail sentence.

"I think there are other remedies that need to be looked at before we get to that," Brewer said.

The jail threat seems like overkill to Paul Weber, a Maryhill tavern owner who contends he's losing business to bars that flout the smoking ban.

"I think it's a little bit much," Weber said.

"You don't go to jail for beating people up in the park any more, so I don't know why you should go to jail for not enforcing the smoking bylaw?"

The jail threat is part of a proposed enforcement crackdown aimed at 28 stubborn establishments.

Councillors have also been advised to reassign six public health inspectors to help police the ban.

They would target the holdout establishments with repeated plainclothes visits.

As well, it's proposed the region stop giving bar owners three warnings in advance of charges.

Health staff say the crackdown, to be considered by councillors today, addresses complaints that a few establishments are stealing business away from 99 per cent of the industry that complies with the ban.

It comes a week after council tightened its bylaw by banning smoking at private functions like weddings and corporate events.

The next step for future debate, health staff say, is for council to reconsider smoking in taxis, workplaces, and private clubs like Royal Canadian Legion halls.

Unlike other communities, Waterloo Region exempted these places from its smoking ban.

Health staff now contend that some private clubs are admitting members of the public to smoke.

Also, extending the ban to these places would meet the region's goals by protecting employees and others from second-hand smoke.

Extra enforcement would come by reassigning six of 26 public health inspectors away from duties like food inspection and infection control, on a part-time basis.

The smoking ban is enforced by two bylaw officers. But their effectiveness is limited because they are widely recognized by owners.

In the meantime, it's also proposed that the region:

Continue educating the public about the dangers of smoking.

Consider new ways to conduct anti-smoking investigations.

Ask courts to impose big fines against repeat offenders.

Publicize the names of convicted owners in reports to council, as is done with food-safety violations.

Continue to advise the province's liquor licensing agency of establishments that violate the bylaw, to put their liquor licence at risk.

SMOKING INFRACTIONS

Today, people can be fined but not jailed for illegal smoking in enclosed public places.

€ 898 individuals have been convicted of illegal smoking. Most have faced fines reaching $255.

€ 19 proprietors have been convicted of permitting smoking. The highest fine has been $3,000. Most fines have been $1,000 or more.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Canada; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; tobacco
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1 posted on 06/18/2002 12:12:08 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; JohnHuang2 ...
Don't SAY it can't be done in the states. We never thought it would go THIS far!
2 posted on 06/18/2002 12:13:06 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I really hope that they find a way to keep the jail sentences to a minimum. In a few years, this whole problem is going to go away anyway.
3 posted on 06/18/2002 12:14:16 PM PDT by ned
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To: SheLion
Ja! Sieg Heil!
4 posted on 06/18/2002 12:15:44 PM PDT by Temple Owl
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To: ned
In a few years, this whole problem is going to go away anyway.

ned, why do you say this?!

5 posted on 06/18/2002 12:15:56 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
RE:"What we want is compliance. We don't want anybody to go to jail."
 
What these jack*asses want is irrelevant.
These are the type of people for whom "blanket parties" were invented.
6 posted on 06/18/2002 12:18:33 PM PDT by tomakaze
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To: tomakaze
A "blanket party" is just what they need, that's for sure!

This stuff is getting out of hand, doncha thing?

7 posted on 06/18/2002 12:19:50 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Have these idiots ever thought of just hanging a sign on the front door, designating the bar as either smoking permitted or non smoking, and letting the consumer make his choice which he wishes to support.
8 posted on 06/18/2002 12:20:30 PM PDT by steve50
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To: SheLion
RE:Health staff say the crackdown, to be considered by councillors today, addresses complaints that a few establishments are stealing business away from 99 per cent of the industry that complies with the ban
 
the plot thickens. Rather than take a side by side principled stand against absurd laws against a common enemy (Government), rat on the competition competition.
Gawd, sometimes I just flat hate people.
9 posted on 06/18/2002 12:22:15 PM PDT by tomakaze
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To: steve50
Have these idiots ever thought of just hanging a sign on the front door, designating the bar as either smoking permitted or non smoking, and letting the consumer make his choice which he wishes to support.

steve, that would be too EASY. They want total control! TOTAL CONTROL!

10 posted on 06/18/2002 12:22:41 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: tomakaze
Gawd, sometimes I just flat hate people.

"I" hate the Health Minister AND the Boards of Health!

11 posted on 06/18/2002 12:23:47 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Don't SAY it can't be done in the states. We never thought it would go THIS far!

But if people don't smoke in Canada, how will we be able to pay for health care? That is why they raised prices of cigarettes $9.00 a carton in Ontario today (the nico-nazi's wanted $15.00 a carton more).

At this point, I think the everyone should comply with the no smoking law. Let's collapse the socialist health care system!

12 posted on 06/18/2002 12:24:25 PM PDT by Lorenb420
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To: SheLion
A buncha disgusting ninnynannies with nothing better to do. Maybe they should spend their time on playgrounds making sure children don't be mean to other.
13 posted on 06/18/2002 12:26:33 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: SheLion
"You don't go to jail for beating people up in the park any more, so I don't know why you should go to jail for not enforcing the smoking bylaw?"

That about sums it up. Jails are for business owners not thugs. Great use of taxpayer money and crowded jails.

14 posted on 06/18/2002 12:28:00 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: SheLion
Extra enforcement would come by reassigning six of 26 public health inspectors away from duties like food inspection and infection control

And why not, the quality of our food and the control of contagious disease isn't nearly as important as shutting down a bar where people freely go to smoke.

15 posted on 06/18/2002 12:28:11 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: steve50
Have these idiots ever thought of just hanging a sign on the front door, designating the bar as either smoking permitted or non smoking, and letting the consumer make his choice which he wishes to support.

Let's see. Your plan involves self-determination, personal responsibility, and property rights.

Nah, never happen. Where do you think we live, in some kind of free country?

16 posted on 06/18/2002 12:28:11 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: SheLion
RE:This stuff is getting out of hand, doncha thing?
Amen to that, sistah!
The Power Plant I work at instituted a site wide tobacco ban a while ago (which I ignore freely, with full knowledge of the consequences if I get nailed) not just on smoking, but all tobacco. It's the kind of crap you expect to run into in socialist Europe or Kalifornia.
I dealt with horsesh*t like that in high school, but I'm a big boy now.
The stories I could tell about this place.
17 posted on 06/18/2002 12:28:47 PM PDT by tomakaze
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To: Lorenb420
At this point, I think the everyone should comply with the no smoking law. Let's collapse the socialist health care system!

Loren, your so smart! My thoughts exactly. However, I sure hate to see the restaurant and bar owners go under. What is it going to take to let business owners control their own environments?

The control that the Boards of Health over a business is mind-boggling. It certainly reeks of nazi-izm at it's finest.

18 posted on 06/18/2002 12:29:23 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Looks like bars will be closing up quickly in the Waterloo Region.
19 posted on 06/18/2002 12:29:32 PM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: 1Old Pro
And why not, the quality of our food and the control of contagious disease isn't nearly as important as shutting down a bar where people freely go to smoke.

What with the world in turmoil today, this is all the anti-smoking nazi has to worry about??!!

20 posted on 06/18/2002 12:31:12 PM PDT by SheLion
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