Posted on 06/13/2002 12:26:09 PM PDT by vannrox
The following paragraphs gnawed at me:[1]
But more than two weeks later, Hamdi is still there and will probably remain so for the foreseeable future. His case has become a hot potato in Washington. By all accounts, Hamdi was born in Baton Rouge, La., 22 years ago, making him a citizen by virtue of birth even though his parents were Saudi Arabian. The family moved to Saudi Arabia when Hamdi was a child, though precisely when is not clear..." "...But if he is a citizen and the government wishes to keep him in custody, he must be charged with a crime and provided an attorney, civil rights lawyers say..." "...Even Saudi Arabia's embassy in Washington seems to have distanced itself from Hamdi, who U.S. officials believe also holds Saudi citizenship. An embassy official declined to comment other than to say that Hamdi may not be a citizen of his country. Just because Hamdi was raised in Saudi Arabia, the official said, "that does not automatically make him a Saudi citizen..." Even if officials insist that serving in a foreign armed service is grounds for stripping someone of citizenship, Ratner said, a court proceeding to revoke his citizenship still would have to have been held. No records of any such hearing have surfaced..." Sabera Asar and Areefa Arafin "...the aim of this paper is to investigate the use of Arabic, a LOTE used in the Brooklyn Heights section of Brooklyn. We specifically examined the Atlantic Avenue area, which is a large commercial center in which Arabs shop and socially interact. We wish to analyze how pervasive the Arabic language is on several levels, including the commercial, social, political, and religious level..."This can be foundHERE. NAHLA A. AL-ARIAN BEFORE THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ON THE USE OF SECRET EVIDENCE AND IN SUPPORT OF H.R. 2121 (SECRET EVIDENCE REPEAL ACT)
"...Because Dayawathie was pregnant and Ismail wanted the child to have US citizenship, he arranged for her to travel to Oakland, CA to give birth. Their son, Michael, was born on June 18, 1988. Shortly thereafter, Dayawathie returned to the UAE. On September 14, 1988, Vithanage gave birth to Ismail Sloan's daughter, Jessica, in California...(where she then)...returned to the UAE" "...Shortly thereafter, Ismail took the family (including the baby, Jessica) to Thailand..." Army Accuses Democrats Of Stealing From Social Security Sad but related. Go HERE.
Saudi Long Term Plans for the creation of "American-Born" Terrorists
A Blue Bay Analysis and open Invitation for FREEPER Assistance.
Authored by VANNROX unique for FreeRepublic
My Story:
Have you ever had a nagging feeling at the back of your mind? Like something is important, but that you had forgotten it. That happened to me. The other day, while drinking coffee, a thought leaped into my head. It bothered me. It annoyed me, and so I put my coffee down and looked into my records. About a year ago or so, certainly pre-9-11, I had read an article that poised a mystery. A strange phenomenon that was considered to be not so important, but still vexing. This mystery consisted of the unexplained reason why so many Saudi women were visiting the US just to give birth in an American Hospital. Strange as it may seem, after giving birth, they then would apply for a Social Security number and a Birth Certificate. Once in hand they would then leave the country to head back to Saudi Arabia.
"...WASHINGTON - When Yasser Esam Hamdi, the American-born prisoner from Afghanistan, arrived at the naval base in Norfolk, Va., earlier this month, officials intended his stay in the brig to be brief while they figured out what to do with him.
"...Ratner said that unofficially renouncing citizenship is not possible and suggested that the government is grasping at straws.
But why did they bother me? Like most readers I was under the impression that only American Citizens use American Hospitals to give birth. After all, birthing is a time honored tradition and does not really require the modern medical facilities found in most United States Hospitals. Further, even if medical facilities were needed for a Problematic Saudi birthing, the Saudi Hospital systems are more than equipped for such a situation.
Therefore, logic dictates that it would be rare for a non-national to use an American Hospital unless it was actually an emergency. Further, that this situation would be rare.
My Investigation:
However, to my surprise it is not rare. Apparently, the Arab Community, and especially the Saudi's, fly their late-term pregnant wife to the United States for the Sole Purpose of using American Hospitals.
My mind churned the thoughts over and over. That is, until I recalled an earlier article which claimed that Islamic Women were arriving to America to give birth and then to return. Was this true? What article was it and what did it say? You know I did read the article and I know it exists. Where is/was it?
I scanned my records and could not find it. But it was there. Maybe I'll have to reasearch it on my own. I shrugged my shoulders and resigned myself to that. In the process of my search I located some very interesting articles related to my search.
Immigration aiding, abetting terrorism?
Wednesday, May 22, 2002 by Diana Lynne -- Foreign-born Islamic terrorists have used almost every conceivable means of entering the United States, according to a study released today, which concludes every aspect of the immigration system has been penetrated and, therefore, needs reform. ... You can read it HERE.
Welcome to America -- as long as you're legal
... Someone fails to file a tax return for ... Those permanent residents, naturalized citizens or American-born ... South America, Australia, Thailand, Iran, Iraq, Saudi ..." It can be found at The York Dispatch .
Islam and the Sword
... death in 632, just two years after his triumphant return to ... of jihad in Islam, an ex-chief justice of Saudi ... While it is probably safe to say that American born ... The article can be foundHERE.
Many Seek American Dream - Outside America
The Christian Science Monitor International.
Wednesday March 19, 1997 Edition
"...America has long been a promised land of opportunity, attracting more than 900,000 immigrants last year from all corners of the globe..." But a signifant percentage "...are looking abroad for the chance to live the kind of life they don't believe is possible in the US..." and strangely search for this BETTER LIFE in apparently "...include countries such as Iran and Libya, places where Americans feel less than welcome. (Still not the article that I had been searching for) Can be viewed HERE.
Arabic in New York City
TESTIMONY OF
MAY 23, 2000
"...My name is Nahla Al-Arian and Im a proud American citizen of Palestinian descent. Im also a mother of five and the proud sister of Dr. Mazen Al-Najjar, who has been deprived of his freedom for 1100 days today, because of the use of secret evidence...taken to a detention facility for supposedly a visa violation...Mazens most rewarding achievement was in raising his three beautiful American-born daughters..."
More informationHERE.
I am afraid to report that I have been unsuccessful in locating the specific document. The document listed a detailed summary of the use of Saudi Nationals to specifically enter the US to give birth and return to Saudi Arabia. I have failed in my search for this article. Any FReeper who can help me locate this article would be welcome.
However, the information that I have been able to obtain clearly show a pattern of obtaining US citizenship, followed by capture by US forces in a terror related action, and then followed by a defense as being a US Citizen.
But why return home? Why not stay in the United States? OK, now that the child is a United States Citizen the mother can get on welfare and can sup off the federal teat. The answer is clear. Muslim control. Case after case verifies this.
Consider these various statements concerning possible motive...[2]
Now that is hard for me to believe that muslims are insensitive louts. I refuse to believe that they are closet pedaphiles or molesters. I cannot, and I refuse to believe it. One might argue that it is perhaps cultural. But a cultural bias based on such strong gender control cannot possibly exist under what I understand to be the teachings of islam. There has to be another motive. But, what is it? Let's perhaps consider these statements concerning possible motive...[2][4]
"...Members of the public who responded to the case were divided. Joyce Bowman, a Houston resident, wrote "Muslim fathers who wish to fondle their children should go live in a country which permits such behavior..."
"... Mr. and Mrs. Krasniqi and all their Muslim friends (should) become familiar with the Texas Penal Code, which plainly states that the crime Mr. Krasniqi was accused of against his daughter is against the law in the United States..."
"...Betty Mahmoody won national attention with her daring escape from Iran with her daughter. In Ms. Mahmoody's book, she wrote that at the time of her writing, over a thousand American women and children were being held in Islamic countries against their will...?
"...She immediately became pregnant again. ... In February, 1989, Ismail brought her to New York where she was immediately admitted to hospital for a month. She gave birth to their second child on April 28, 1989..."
"...the Arabs who arrived in the US after 1948 were a more diverse group than the early immigrants. Unlike the economically-motivated Lebanese Christians,many of the new immigrants were compelled to leave their countries by political circumstances. Most of them were Palestinians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Iraqis, and Yemenis, in addition to a continuing flow of lebanese and Syrians..."
Being a United States citizen could lead to a number of interesting advantages. You could be a spy or a terrorist with 100% accurate and legal documentation that supports you. If true then, what could the advantages be as a United States Citizen, but really an Islamic raised "Sleeper"? Consider these incidents.[3][5][6]
"...The American-born anesthesiologist from the USA was held and questioned for three hours (upon arrival in Israel from New Zealand) because he looked Palestinian...(Investigation revealed that)... He did have Palestinian ancestry and an extended family living in Ramallah..."
"...Officials are currently investigating Mr Hamdi's claim to US citizenship. His birth certificate, which states he was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, appears to corroborate his claim. "I think from the very beginning, there was a possibility in everyone's mind that he might be an American because he spoke English," said Army General Tommy Franks, who is in charge of the Afghanistan campaign. "I can tell you that at the time he left Afghanistan we could neither confirm nor deny that he was an American citizen," he said..."
"...MIAMI - (KRT) - A U.S. citizen now being held in a Navy brig in Norfolk, Va., was on vacation from school in Saudi Arabia when he was caught up in the U.S. war on terror and is not a member of a terrorist group, his father's lawyer has told The Miami Herald. Yaser Esam Hamdi, 21, who was born in Baton Rouge, La., to Saudi parents on a year-abroad program, was merely making a coming-of-age trip to Afghanistan when he was swept up and flown to Guantanamo Bay Naval Base as an accused terrorist, according to the lawyer, Najeeb al-Nauimi of Doha, Qatar..."
"...International lawyers said the fact that Hamdi is a U.S. citizen grants him a number of rights not available to the 299 detainees still held at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base -- and also limits the U.S. governments ability to hold him. Government officials did not describe the legal basis they would cite for detaining a U.S. citizen who has not been charged..."
So his legal defense was and still is that he is an American. The Liberal Media and all the Civil Libertarians proclaim that he is not a military combatant precisely because he is an American Citizen. But what if he only obtained a birth certificate when born, but grew up and trained as a terrorist? What then? But a more detailed military investigation discovered that Hamdi's [7]
"...parents returned to Saudi Arabia with him when he was a small child..." A Final Consideration:
It is quite apparent that it is critically important that a terrorist obtains a United States Passport. Or, in lieu of this, forging one or more birth certificates. Here is an excellent article on this aspect:
Boarding letters worry INS agents
Thursday, May 2, 2002 WND News by Paul Sperry -- WASHINGTON Airport immigration inspectors fear a batch of stolen birth certificates could be used by Middle Eastern terrorists to enter the U.S. without visas. Some 2,000 pre-signed blank birth certificates were swiped last month from ... To read the article goHERE. Conclusion:
I do not believe that it is unreasonable to conclude that there is a long term strategy in process that was developed by enemies of the United States. This strategy presupposes an on-going conflict involving the radical Islamic terror cells. It also indicates a level of planning herefore unknown and unexpected. While I myself do not have a "smoking gun" or admitted testimonial confirming this conclusion, the preponderance of evidence appears to be substantially convictive of this premise. Oh By the way:
While researching this article I came accross a number of interesting and loosely related articles. Most are related to what the previsous Presidental Administration did that affected the 9-11 events. There are a large number of indicators that Bill Clinton Knew about Bin Laden. Further, that he knew that he was dangerous and futher, that he had the opportunity to stop him but did nothing. But what I have discovered is that Bin Laden was funded from many sources, and that one of his major source for funds came from the United nations. Did you know that? Did you also know that the United Nations obtains the majority of their funding from the United States? No? Did you know that the Billions of dollars that the United States provides to the UN was considered to be insignifant by the Clinton Administration? So much that they divereted additional monies illegally to the UN? And to make matters worse, the Taliban and Bin Laden had access to these funds?
Report: Clinton Diverted Billions From Pentagon to UN. Go HERE to view it.
BIN LADEN OBTAINED UN FUNDING. Related to the above article. See it HERE.
Further Reading:
MIGRATION NEWS, Vol. 9, No. 3, March, 2002.
GO HERE for the GOOGLE cached Report.
OR proceed HERE for the actual Report.
CHAPTER ELEVEN: INTERNATIONAL LAW IN US COURTS, PDF/Adobe Acrobat .
Please go HERE to read the PDF version.
Or, please visit this link HERE to view the Google Cached HTML version.
Recent Espionage Cases 1975 - 1999US.
GO HERE to view the Google Cached version.
Or, please go HERE to view the actual PDF version. References:
[1] "U.S. at loss on how to handle detainee", By Laura Sullivan, Maryland Sun National Staff, Originally published April 22, 2002. Article deleted off server. Cached article via Google HERE.
[2] "Perceptions of Islam and Their Influence on American Legislative and Judicial Decisions Involving Child Custody" by Andrea L. Baker located HERE.
[3] " Palestine Mission Report " by Cardio Start International Compassionate Medical Assistance Program. Locate the text HERE.
[4] "Arab-American Health in Michigan" PDF Format. PDF dowload is HERE.
[5] "Second 'US Taleban' moved to Virginia" BBC News April 6, 2002. To read the article goHERE.
[6] "U.S. prisoner was vacationing in region, isn't al-Qaida member, lawyer says", KRT Wre. 06-30-02. Google link HERE. BayArea link HERE. KRT Wre Link HERE.
[7] "The Ordnance Reports" April 9 2002. Ed Starnes 410-278-2415 (DSN 298-2415) . US Army Ordnance Corps Communications Coordinator. Article titled Hunt Continues for Holdout Al Qaeda, Taliban; Hamdi Moved to Norfolk . Cached Google article can be located HERE.
GLOSSARY OF SEARCH TERMS
There are two purposes for this section. The
first is to provide a short list of major search terms that can be used to
locate articles, books, and websites about the events of September 11,
2001. The second is to provide a quick and ready reference for names and terms you
will encounter in your search. Where hyperlinks appear, they are either
to the official sites of the people mentioned or else to sources of objective
and reliable information.
Terms below are divided into four categories: Flight Numbers,
Afghan & Arabic Terms, People, Geographic, and Miscellaneous
Terms.
I got creeped out in the early eighties on learning that the University of Southern California
had been very heavily bought into by the Saudi governement.
If any one would like to be removed from my CT Bump list, please let me know and it will be done ASAP. Conversely, if you would like to be added the same holds true.
Or forwarding it to Fox News? Maybe John Gibson or Bill O'Reilly would pick up on this issue.
I think it's an important question you've raised.
Another angle. Simple proof why profiling is useless. You wanted Blond, Caucasian Muslims with connections to Bin Laden network roaming freely in U.S. of A? You got them in droves already.
Poor Kosovo Albanians, like Mr. Krasniqi mentioned in the text above
Poor Bosnian Muslims, allies of Osama Bin laden
You asked for it !
It would take a simple act of Congress to clarify this situation and end the shameless advantage the Mexicans, Asians and fifth-column Muslims are taking of this outmoded and actually self-destructive practice. But they can't bring themselves to do it. We should be asking them why.
Indeed we should be asking Congress why. The motives of these women who give birth here should now be in question. Once it was assumed that parents were doing this to give their children benefits that US citizenship brings, but that can no longer be assumed to be the case at all. I suspect many of them have ulterior motives and probably have had for years, but we were living in a cocoon.
Please see post #11.
We better wake up now and start thinking in these terms and flush these dirty daiperheads out, otherwise we'll wake up later under a Taliban regime. The USA needs another McCarthy.
If this is a real pattern, when did it start? When did these births start to become frequent?
They quickly married German women which allowed them to become German citizens. Then they sent or took (some said forcibly) their wives back to Syria, Pakistan or Sudan and then went on to become terrorists with their spring-boards being Germany.
No one ever knew what became of the wives.
One or more of the 9/11 terrorists did this.
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