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Smallpox outbreak in Pakistan?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 10, 2002 | Ron Strom

Posted on 06/11/2002 9:55:53 AM PDT by reader25

Pakistan's major English-language daily newspaper has reported what it calls a "smallpox epidemic" that is "rapidly spreading" in the Pakistani province of Swabi, a development that, if true, raises grave concerns about global health and bioterrorism


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To: WilliamWallace1999
See #40.
41 posted on 06/11/2002 4:08:07 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: all
A message from Jim Robinson regarding the fundraiser!
42 posted on 06/11/2002 5:02:50 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: Demidog
Facts from the 1860's that support your position? Congratulations...now show me ONE smallpox case...not monkey pox in the past 5 years...I'm not saying you're wrong, just that your support is way below my standard...ONE...
43 posted on 06/11/2002 5:24:05 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: Demidog
It is based on the fact that the vaccine could not possibly have eradicated it given it's limited application. It's common sense.

It's nonsense. A focused containment vaccination strategy makes perfect sense. You could have prevented the Chicago fire by hosing down Mrs. O'Leary's barn in advance of her cow kicking over the lantern. You wouldn't have needed to hose down the whole town in advance. A reliable vaccine (available c. 1950), that strategy and the willpower and $ to implement it were quite sufficient to end smallpox 'in the wild.'

It is easy to prove smallpox has been extinct in the wild. It has no natural host other than man. It can't survive outside live people long, at least not in the tropical or temperate climates suggested upthread. I've heard zero claims for ongoing smallpox epidemics in Alaska. Variola major averages 30% mortality, variola minor about a tenth of that and both are fairly contagious. To survive 'in the wild' Smallpox has to kill people and it does so quickly. We've been making zero effort to defend against it for 20+ years so most of the world is susceptible. If it were still around LOTS of people would be dying. In the late 60s it still killed over a million people each year. Even in Africa today that WOULD get noticed. Even Clinton couldn't coverup the presence of uncontrolled smallpox in the world. Smallpox stored in a lab someplace is the only legitimate concern.

There are lots of _____pox animal viruses at least loosely related to smallpox. Like smallpox they tend to be quite picky about which species they attack. Monkey pox is the only significant concern. It's not very contagious to people, rarely kills them, and lab tests can tell it from smallpox. Human camelpox is a negligible risk. The risk of camel kicks, camel bites and camel spits is far greater.

44 posted on 06/11/2002 5:24:55 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: Dog Gone
it ain't smallpox.

These ain't idiots, either. Dawn is Pakistan's largest English-speaking newspaper, with offices throughout the world.

This story has been on-going for three days, with WND breaking it over here, and no one denying it.

Either it's true, in which case it takes awhile for it to sink in and for responsible parties to figure out what happens next; or it's disinformation.

But I seriously doubt there's a mother or father in Pakistan who doesn't know the difference between smallpox, cow pox and chicken pox.

45 posted on 06/11/2002 5:43:52 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Demidog
#40 is a bullshit post. Read the dates of reference. They are all from the 1800's, not the modern vaccine era; dude.
46 posted on 06/11/2002 5:46:38 PM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
They must be a whole lot smarter than Americans, then. There are some voters in Florida that couldn't tell the difference between Chicken Pox and Chicken Fingers.
47 posted on 06/11/2002 5:47:48 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
"...Chicken Fingers"

What are the symptoms?

48 posted on 06/11/2002 5:58:20 PM PDT by TheLooseThread
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49 posted on 06/11/2002 6:12:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Tree of Liberty
Small pox was eradicated from the planet in 1977. The last know outbreaks were in East Africa in 1977.

Hmmm... in Somalia!

50 posted on 06/11/2002 6:36:08 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Your link doesn't work. Would you post the URL, please?
51 posted on 06/11/2002 6:38:10 PM PDT by Dixie Mom
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To: Dixie Mom
Measles and smallpox do not look similar. There is no way that a descently well trained clinician would confuse the two diseases. Measles can feature Koplik spots which are small white mucosal lesions in the mouth. Smallpox does not have this feature. In addition, the rash of measles is nothing like smallpox. A measles rash is generally flat. The smallpox is a "pox" lesion. They're different and any person with one year of medical school training should recognize the difference.
52 posted on 06/11/2002 6:38:30 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: TheLooseThread
I think you're seriously over-reacting! The incubation time of small pox is around two weeks. So, these cases are unlikely to be smallpox. It's far more likely to be a simple case of Varicella Zoster, chickenpox!
53 posted on 06/11/2002 6:40:36 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Dixie Mom
I presume Sweet_Sunflower29's intended link was WorldNetDaily here.
54 posted on 06/11/2002 7:28:06 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: bonesmccoy
I'm only supposing measles due to the anecdotal evidence referenced in the first link I provided. Besides a lack of trained medical personnel, it seems there is a translation problem as well in the regions where "smallpox" has been reported.
55 posted on 06/11/2002 7:29:54 PM PDT by Dixie Mom
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To: JohnBovenmyer
Yes, that must be it. Thanks!
56 posted on 06/11/2002 7:32:38 PM PDT by Dixie Mom
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To: Dixie Mom
OK!

Actually, I'd say it's more likely to be monkeypox or chicken pox. There's no data on this matter at CDC. They're probably just starting to reach the town to investigate.

57 posted on 06/11/2002 10:43:06 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: JohnBovenmyer
A focused containment vaccination strategy makes perfect sense.

Only if the vaccine works. And the numbers do not support the data. Quite the opposite is true. I notice that you ignore the data from London's own registry. Convenient for you but not very convincing. If vaccinations are to be considered scientifically sound, then there should be some data to support the theory that they erradicate or slow disease rates. There isn't any. Such data cannot be produced.

The polio vaccine is another fine example of propaganda not quite matching scientific data. It is a fact that there hasn't been a single case of polio in the United States since 1970 that wasn't related to exposure to the vaccine. There is data to suggest that the date can be pushed back to 1954 but the later date is damning enough.

59 posted on 06/11/2002 10:50:12 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Isn't it funny that where fire trucks are found, so are horrible blazes. Ban fire trucks. They are useless.
60 posted on 06/11/2002 10:54:57 PM PDT by drlevy88
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