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Elizabeth Smart - Current Photo/Website
www.elizabethsmart.com ^ | 6/8/02 | www.elizabethsmart.com

Posted on 06/07/2002 10:24:11 PM PDT by stlnative

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To: EverOnward
I respectfully disagree with you folks who are placing your emphasis on self-defense.

As with an unrelated topic, the war against the Islamists (as Lou Dobbs has begun to call it, God bless 'im) I would love to see more efforts on offense, i.e., identifying these evil men and putting them away permanently.

101 posted on 06/08/2002 8:22:50 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: kayak
:o) and here's another bump for Elizabeth
102 posted on 06/08/2002 8:23:36 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: EverOnward
"if a perp has a weapon and threatens you with it, he WILL USE it. Best to fight, scream, die on the spot rather than be taken..."

Absolutely. I've told my kids the same thing. "Don't get in the car. If you get in the car, you're for sure dead. If you stay out of the car, you have a chance". Many times, they aren't expecting you to fight back, and it can scare them off. Is this true? I've thought about kick boxing myself.

I've been upset too. I'm on the verge of tears, every time I read about her or hear it on the news. I don't know how parents live through this type of situation. I think I would die.

103 posted on 06/08/2002 8:26:53 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
**Soooooooo...I'm going to empower my children. I want them to learn how to effectively fight for their life if needed.**

Agreed, Spookie. I'm contacting the Sheriff's office for information on self defense courses.

See post 86 for a lovely picture of this young girl.

104 posted on 06/08/2002 8:27:33 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: iconoclast
**I respectfully disagree with you folks who are placing your emphasis on self-defense. As with an unrelated topic, the war against the Islamists (as Lou Dobbs has begun to call it, God bless 'im) I would love to see more efforts on offense, i.e., identifying these evil men and putting them away permanently. **

My emphasis is the survival of my child. There will always be evil people in this world who shut have been done away with or put away...but my child needs to know ways to continue her life and get away from an abductor.

105 posted on 06/08/2002 8:31:40 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: iconoclast
I would love to see more efforts on offense, i.e., identifying these evil men and putting them away permanently.

I agree with you. When I ask my husband how he can handle what he does without going crazy, he says it is his determination to get these perps and put them away PERMANENTLY and he takes every crime he works on personally. Many in law enforcement are dedicated, hardworking family people. It's the laws and court system that are in the criminals corner.

106 posted on 06/08/2002 8:31:54 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: archy; homeschool mama
It makes me sick to my stomach. I don't understand evil or how anyone could gain pleasure from hurting a beautiful child. Yes, that's a beautiful picture. Bless her heart.
107 posted on 06/08/2002 8:31:54 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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AshleyTodd member since June 3rd, 2002

108 posted on 06/08/2002 8:32:22 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: iconoclast; homeschool mama
"identifying these evil men and putting them away permanently."

Absofreakinglutely!!!!! But in the mean time, our babies need to learn how to fight for their lives and survive. God forbid that opportunity ever comes.

109 posted on 06/08/2002 8:34:31 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: brigette
My wife's and my prayers go out to this girl and her family, that she be found alive. God Bless her.
110 posted on 06/08/2002 8:35:13 AM PDT by rambo316
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To: homeschool mama
"Your compassion for this girl astounds me. Not."

Where do you get off saying something like that? I have relatives who are out searching for that child!

There are comments showing up on this thread suggesting something sinister within her family because of perceived "fake" smiles and a vacant look in her eyes. That kind of chit-chat is sick and demeans the genuine horror of this little girls abduction. I stand by what I originally said.

I shouldn't have even dignified your rude, baseless comment with a reply, but I've done my "part" by sending this thread back to the top now, right? So I'll move on.

111 posted on 06/08/2002 8:38:09 AM PDT by AshleyTodd
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To: SpookBrat
"If you stay out of the car, you have a chance". Many times, they aren't expecting you to fight back, and it can scare them off. Is this true?

I'm not the law enforcement person in the family, but from what I gather anything to throw the criminal off -- to get him in any way thinking he's not in total control of the situation is a GOOD thing -- outsmart the criminal using brain or brawn. My husband and my daughters are taking Moi Tai (spelled wrong I'm sure) and my husband has also taught the girls some moves he's learned over the years. REALITY CHECK: We must learn to defend ourselves and to teach our children to defend themselves if we are are to survive the evils that surround us.

112 posted on 06/08/2002 8:41:08 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: EverOnward
bttt
114 posted on 06/08/2002 8:47:16 AM PDT by cgk
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To: AshleyTodd
So...you're upset about the posters who suggest something sinister about the family? Or are you upset about the thread in it's entirety..and most of us who are truly concerned with this girl. Make up your mind.

Bump to the top.

115 posted on 06/08/2002 8:53:21 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: brigette
I hope and PRAY Elizabeth is found UNHARMED and the SCUM that did this is caught AND CONVICTED!
116 posted on 06/08/2002 9:00:03 AM PDT by teletech
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To: sandyeggo
Bingo!

I had tried OPTIONS before. Thanks!

117 posted on 06/08/2002 9:07:55 AM PDT by gitmo
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To: homeschool mama
Welcome to Free Republic.

Brigette began this thread as a way to update freepers about Elizabeth. I don't consider discussing, praying, and hoping as empty chatter.

Also, people just need to talk about the horrors going on in this nation. After 9/11 I found myself compelled to talk it out with people. The same applies here. This is an unimagineable horror that is taking place with a terrifying regularity in this country, and discussions about how to prevent such things, or how to find these perps is theraputic.

118 posted on 06/08/2002 9:14:08 AM PDT by gitmo
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To: gitmo
I agree, gitmo. It's theraputic and very normal to talk things out. Weeping is another avenue...which in the case of 911 certainly happened (still is), as well as the case of Elizabeth Smart.
119 posted on 06/08/2002 9:19:29 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
...but my child needs to know ways to continue her life and get away from an abductor.

Absolutely, they should do whatever it takes to get away. My daughter was 12 when she was attacked on her bike in front of our apartment. Our apt. manager was a big Italian SWAT cop who heard her scream and went running out and literally wiped up the sidewalk with the creep's face. His wife was grinning from ear to ear. "He LOVES to do that," she told us. Elizabeth should have been be so lucky.

120 posted on 06/08/2002 9:32:59 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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