Grant Co., OR - Election: "United Nations Ban" wins !!!

Grant County Oregon Clerks Office ^ | 5/22/2002 | Election Records of Grant County

[Jack Black]

Well those stubborn Easterners have gone and done it this time. They passed an anti-UN ordinance in Grant County Oregon. They also passed a measure giving the county to right to control local federal owned forests. Obviously these are probably symbolic victories, but personally I like the symbolism. Here is the official vote:

County ballot measures

Keep the United Nations out of Grant County
Passed 1,326-959
(58 percent)

Stewardship on federal lands
Passed 1,512-745
(67 percent)

Here are the two stories I put up earlier this week with information on these initatives.

Oregon County has anti-UN and anti-Fed ballot initatives

Where stubborn pride meets broken dreams. (more on anti-UN ititative)

[pariah]

The East is the Red Zone part of Oregon, the West is Red and Blue mixed.

Actually, take out Multnomah County (ie. PDX) and the state is overwhelmingly Republican. I think Gore carried the state by carrying only 3 counties, or was it just ONE (Mult.)? Oregon would be like Idaho if it weren't for that liberal enclave grafted on to the mouth of the Willamette! Lots of radicals/anarchists in Eugene, but I think even there they are heavily outvoted.

[MeekOneGOP]

[packrat01]

"diplomatic immunity" doesn't stop citizens bullets. Should they attempt anything for which deadly force is authorized (in Tejas), will the (Tejas) citizen be prosecuted by the U.N.?

Not!

[MeekOneGOP]

FReep 'em good!

[ShadowAce]

Sorry--It is perfectly constitutional--no matter WHAT you say about the UN. The UN, after all, is not an American institution. It is foreign. Any community can choose to exclude foreign entities.

[SauronOfMordor]

Should they attempt anything for which deadly force is authorized (in Tejas), will the (Tejas) citizen be prosecuted by the U.N.?

Probably not by the UN, but maybe by the Feds. I'm sure they have something on the books somewhere about "assault on a diplomat" or some such.

What would be really interesting would be if somebody in the UN decided to respond with a "diplomaticly immune" hit team...

[SauronOfMordor]

Take the text of the La Verkin ordinance, which requires registration of all those who have even the most tenuous association with the UN. Strike out "United Nations" and replace it with "National Rifle Association."

The NRA is an association of American citizens. The UN is not.

At the federal level, it is standard for people acting as agents for a foreign power to be required to register as such. This just takes registration to a county level.

A more analogous situation would be if the county required registration of people who were citizens of terrorist countries. On that level, I could see a problem with the county assuming a jurisdiction on what constitutionally would be a federal matter.

[Poohbah]

Sorry--It is perfectly constitutional--no matter WHAT you say about the UN. The UN, after all, is not an American institution. It is foreign. Any community can choose to exclude foreign entities.

So they can vote to exclude the Catholic Church?

[packrat01]

I've heard that "Your Honor. He needed killin'." is a defense to prosecution in Tejas.

But I hope not to have to find out...

If they send a hit team, they better come big or stay home.

[Poohbah]

I can't agree with that, Poohbah. The 1st Amendment, in fact, the entire Bill of Rights, limit the power of our government.

Agreed. And irrelevant.

There is no way that the 1st Amendment gives the United Nations power over our Local and State governments.

I didn't say that. Learn how to read.

However, I fail to see how someone may be put on a local "enemies list" for even the most tenuous connection to the UN, or any other organization.

BTW, my position is identical to the John Birch Society on this issue.

[Theodore R.]

So we learn that there is a tiny contingent of conservatives in eastern OR who are always outvoted by the I-5 liberals. There's probably a similar contingent somewhere in WV where they still vote Republican too, but the rest of the state is so strongly for Bobby Byrd that it takes a miracle (2000) to dislodge that "Mountain State" voter from his Democrat moorings. I wonder how many in WV know Byrd "personally," probably quite a few?

[ShadowAce]

The last I heard the Catholoc Church has a component that is American.

[MissAmericanPie]

The U.N. has no business with any type of regulatory authority over sovereign land, neither does any church. Both are un-Constitutional, not a very good straw dog.

[Poohbah]

The U.N. has no business with any type of regulatory authority over sovereign land, neither does any church. Both are un-Constitutional, not a very good straw dog.

The specific element of the ordinance that is unconstitutional is, if it's based on the La Verkin ordinance, the part that (a) requires private citizens with any sort of UN affiliation--no matter how tenuous--to make an annual report of their activities to City Hall, and (b) requires them to post a sign on their property proclaiming their affiliation with the UN. I suppose you have no problem with making Jews post a big yellow Star of David on their property and file an annual report on their activites ("Had three of the kids at the Seder meal this year, the fourth wasn't able to make it").

[Poohbah]

The last I heard the Catholoc Church has a component that is American.

Then you heard incorrectly.

The Catholic Church is one church, period, full stop, end of sentence.

[MissAmericanPie]

Jews are not an entity trying to regulate control of sovereign United States territory and the citizens there of. Treason should be outted. I think it's a great idea to force the enemy in the gates to identify himself.

Any more straw men? Trying to attach race or religion to a issue involving "whose your daddy?" just doesn't stand up to muster when an alien entity is seeking power and control over a free sovereign nation and people who have granted them no such power, nor been allowed to vote on it.

[Poohbah]

Jews are not an entity trying to regulate control of sovereign United States territory and the citizens there of. Treason should be outted. I think it's a great idea to force the enemy in the gates to identify himself.

Treason is very strictly defined; subscribing to a UN-published periodical does not meet that standard.

Any more straw men?

I leave the offering of straw men to your capable hands.

Trying to attach race or religion to a issue involving "whose your daddy?" just doesn't stand up to muster when an alien entity is seeking power and control over a free sovereign nation and people who have granted them no such power, nor been allowed to vote on it.

Wait a minute. I thought we were a constitutional republic, with elected representatives. Now you wish it to be a direct democracy because you perceive a tactical advantage in doing so. So much for your commitment to constitutional governance. Your complaint is with those people who are our elected representatives.

[Jakarta ex-pat]

Go Grant Go.

[MissAmericanPie]

Yes, my complaint is with our elected officals that can't wait to get into office to sell America out and get their part of the payoff pie.

I think the answer to the problem is just what these people are doing, take the power back to the States and local governments. Obviously, the will of the people is not being accomplished by corrupt officals in D.C., so therefore D.C. must be marginalized, and power taken back from them, they have shown repeatedly how they mismanage it.

[Poohbah]

Yes, my complaint is with our elected officals that can't wait to get into office to sell America out and get their part of the payoff pie.

Then vote them out of office and find someone else to do the job.

I think the answer to the problem is just what these people are doing, take the power back to the States and local governments.

And who cares if we have to ignore minor concerns like separation of powers and constitutional rights?

Obviously, the will of the people is not being accomplished by corrupt officals in D.C., so therefore D.C. must be marginalized, and power taken back from them, they have shown repeatedly how they mismanage it.

When people who are several standard deviations away from the norm in American politics start throwing "the will of the people" around, I start recalling Rosseau's concept of a "General Will" that can only be divined by those with the proper ideological bent. And then I start thinking of the man who tried to put Rosseau's concept into practice: Robespierre.