Lying Is Cultural Trait Of Arabs, Says Barak

The Guardian (UK) ^ | 5-23-2002 | Brian Whitaker

[timestax]

bump

[A CA Guy]

Lying Is Cultural Trait Of Arabs, Says Barak

Absolutely correct. My sister married one of the bums and even our own state mediators spoke the same the EXACT Barak statement during the course of divorce 6 years ago! Amazing!

[Cuttnhorse]

No argument...I worked in Africa for a couple of years and was constantly amazed at how muslims (and Indians) were able to look a person right in the eye and lie...even when they were better off telling the truth. The constant lies really got tiresome. (Sort of like the Clinton administration!).

[A CA Guy]

In their Dogma, it is believed that if they tell a lie over and over, that in fact THAT is the truth. They could in fact pass a lie detector test because of what they believe.
An F'd up culture.
Like a whole country full of OJ jury members from the first criminal trial.

[B-Cause]

Bump

---

I've been trying to say this since 9-11. I guess I will be labeled as a bigoted American. By: An American Airlines Pilot - Captain ???? ?????????

---

September 11 Grievances
"You worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers. So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists.

But I need your help.

As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist. How do I differentiate between the true Arab-Muslim-Americans and the Arab-Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter those very same good neighbors and children?

The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of it's religions, with ALL of it's different citizens, with all of it's faults. It is time for every Arab-Muslim in this country to determine it for me.

I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know whether or not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to it's flag? Do you proudly display in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and prosper it?

Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your "Jihads"? Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America?

If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it. Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America.

Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. And no more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is unprovoked to you.

I am not interested in any more sympathy ...I am only interested in action.

What will you do for America-our great country-at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America". I want to see young Arab-Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim communities. You know them. You know where they are.

Hand them over to us, now!

But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action.

Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals. The very few Arab-Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States prove who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.

If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance. It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion.

A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose members defended Johnny Cochran and O. J. Simpson after the latter butchered his wife and murdered an innocent friend. A form whose members (some as young a five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and you fellow Muslims hate us because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY civilized democratic nation in the entire middle-east? And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are you even here? Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our peace and stability? Are you here to destroy us?

If so, I want you to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your twisted, violent, intolerant religion.

We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world.

I want to know where every Arab-Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family. I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand." "

Until then ... you worry me." ""

---

[Cuttnhorse]

Having bounced around the world over the past 8-years, I truly believe that the ability to tell the truth is unique to Western culture. I presently work and live in South America and they are not above looking a gringo in the eye and telling a big whopper. Even knowing everyone knows they are lying, they still will try the deception. A lot of it is not wanting to be the bearer of bad news...there is a cultural embarassment factor about bringing bad news to a gringo and to a certain extent this is true in eastern cultures as well. Most of the world has not come to grip with the concept of honesty.

[A CA Guy]

That's why they are all mostly socialists, theocracies, with a few dictatorships in there for fun!

[Political Junkie Too]

Does it have anything to do with the stereotypical portrayal of Middle-Eastern Bazaars with craftsmen haggling over wares? Could it be that it evolved from centuries of desert merchants making a living by selling their wares at the best price possible by exaggerating the value of their products? Doesn't this culture expect people to haggle and negotiate over everything or am I being too naive?

-PJ

[Inkie]

Re: believing contradictory "facts" -- read all about it in Orwell's 1984.

[Inkie]

Now that we have that clear, let's get real about what's necessary to fight these monsters. Not the Marquis of Queensberry Rules!

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

Lying Is Cultural Trait Of Arabs, Says Barak

Newsflash! Pot calls kettle black!

Stay tuned for our next exciting news story: dog bites man. Back after these messages.

[TJFLSTRAT]

Arabs lie the way normal people breathe.

[Diddle E. Squat]

How is 'taqiyya' pronounced?

[Centurion2000]

Maybe what you have to do is ask them if they swear by Allah it's the truth. That ought to give them pause.

If you're not a muslim, lying to you or even swearing by Allah means jack to them and they will lie through their teeth and stab you in the back when they get a chance.

[Jorge]

Lying isn't necessarily bad any more than telling the truth is--it depends on the circumstances.

I wouldn't say that lying isn't wrong, but that there are things that are worse, and anybody who cares about the greater good needs to put right and wrong in it's proper perspective.

For example it would not be right for an ambulance driver to sit at a red light while an emergency case is dying.
This doesn't mean it's ok or safe to run red lights, just that in some rare cases, there is a higher requirement of law.
This of course is not an argument for rationalizing ordinary dishonesty.

[paulklenk]

Unfortunately, I happen to agree that the headline says it perfectly.

[beowolf]

And it is darn hard to make me angry!

You are right...this is so unlike your normal calm demeanor!-)

[VOA]

I seem to like ex-PM Barak a lot more than the PM Barak I remember.

A few months ago Barak recounted his participation in the assassination of a terrorist;
I think Barak and his collegues did this in seaside town (in Lebanon?).

Barak said that he was "undercover"...dressed as a woamn.

When he described how when they burst into the terrorists apartment, the armed terrorist
hesitated, allowing the members of the squad to "get the drop on him".

I don't like making light of such work...but all I could think is that the terrorist
must have hesitated because he saw the costumed Barak and said to himself
"By Allah, that is one very ugly woman!".

[Pistias]

Granted. The quoted statement is too broad.

[SunkenCiv]

"The Arabs are after our blood"
by Christopher Farah
Jan. 23, 2004

In a recent interview with the liberal Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Morris not only justified the 1948 expulsion of the Palestinians from Israel, but also said that then-Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion failed in his task by not expelling all Arabs from the nascent Jewish state... Morris went on to say that renewed expulsions of the Palestinians -- those in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and even those who are Israeli citizens -- could be "entirely reasonable" in circumstances that are "liable to be realized in five or 10 years." ...The Arab and Muslim world, in his eyes, consists of barbarians who don't appreciate the value of human life, barbarians knocking on the gates of the civilized West... Like many other Israeli liberals, Morris' optimism about peace, and whether the Palestinians really wanted it, was shaken by the outbreak of the second intifada in 2000 -- after the Oslo peace accords and the Camp David talks had convinced many that a resolution was at hand. With the collapse of the Camp David talks amid mutual acrimony and the escalation of violence, in particular the rise of suicide bombings within Israel, many Israeli peaceniks became disillusioned, feeling that they had found no true "partner for peace" in the Palestinians... "You go to have coffee with your equally liberal friends, you talk peace and human rights and Palestinian independence, and if you are lucky the place blows up only after you leave," says Tom Segev, an Israeli author who like Morris was dubbed a "new historian" for writing books that challenged the traditional Israeli version of history.