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Kindergartener's stripper-mom in church-school flap
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, May 16, 2002

Posted on 05/16/2002 2:29:30 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: Woahhs
First of all, I am not a pouty teenager. I am an educated young man with a Masters in epidemiology, and and MBA from Stanford. Secondly, the logic that I presented makes perfect sense. If it is difficult to comprehend the logic I presented I feel a great sorrow for you. Note: It is important to develop one's body, to shape and to mold it into something better. If you in fact are a religious individual and you pride yourself in your faith in God, you may want to reevaluate why you think you are a christian, but have no understanding in the importance of physical fitness. You can't call yourself a God-fearing christian and look like a Mr/Mrs Potato Head. It is just as important to stimulate one's mind in the same fashion.
642 posted on 05/16/2002 2:24:56 PM PDT by guywiththeanswer
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To: one_particular_harbour
An Old Testament bunch of nonsense. All Judaeo, no Christian.

Hold on there, OPH, there is more to the story.

The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. (Ezekiel 18:20)

Presumably we can generalize this to mothers and daughters as well.

643 posted on 05/16/2002 2:25:01 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Harrison Bergeron
I was referring to the brand of Christianity that is too intolerant to consider "WWJD?". It crosses all denominations.

Personally, when I try to think "WWJD" in this situation, I think he would allow the girl to continue going to the school. What I think he would not do is castigate the administrators of the school for not making the best choice.

644 posted on 05/16/2002 2:26:10 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: one_particular_harbour
Bwahaha, I cain't, I done laughed my hairy Republican a$$ off...
645 posted on 05/16/2002 2:26:39 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: one_particular_harbour
Paul the latecomer. Paul the oppressor. Paul the observant Jewish guy who tried to suck everybody back into Jewishness. Paul, the guy who likely betrayed a Christ he pretended to know on behalf of his masters (those being the same ones who had Christ crucified) - and infected the faith with the same nonsense that Jesus had worked so hard to clear out.

I agree with your opinion of Paul, but for different reasons. It was Jesus who said he was not overturning the Law, and Paul who threw it out the window.

646 posted on 05/16/2002 2:27:48 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: flyervet
Imagine how much more difficult it would have been had you not had the support of your church. Now remember that this woman does not.

Huh? Remember this, from the original story?

Not wanting to divulge the personal and confidential details of the conversation with the mother, Cole only briefly outlined the details of the offer officials had made the mother -- which had been left out of previous news stories.

"The school offered to waive the last month's tuition for the student so the young girl could remain in school to the end of the year if the mother would quit her job as a strip-tease dancer. They also offered to support the mother and walk 'hand in hand' with her as she worked through the spiritual issues involved and sought to better her life," said Hagelin. "The pastor believed that the meeting had been well-received by the mother, but the next thing he knew he was getting calls from the local media. I found Pastor Cole to be clearly upset that his efforts to help a woman in a very bad situation were not successful."

As a requirement for admission, parents of prospective students must sign a "commitment" to support the philosophy of the school. That philosophy, in part, reads: "Emphasis is placed on learning about God and the truths of God's Word in relationship to man and his world; recognizing that the way to God comes through personal faith in Jesus Christ; and Christian maturity comes by application of the truths of the Bible in all areas of life." In signing the document, parents agree to maintain a "partnership" with the school "regarding the standards and criteria of a Christian learning structure that involves the entire family."

"Although school officials see the mother's job as a stripper as a clear violation of her signed commitment, automatic termination of the relationship was not an option for them," said Hagelin. "The pastor and school attempted to help the mother better her life, and offered her both financial, spiritual and emotional support."


648 posted on 05/16/2002 2:31:23 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: SCalGal
"I've been told that I'm going to Hell, so I guess I wouldn't know. I do, however, know right from wrong, and I know what it feels like to go to bed hungry because you gave your kid the last of the leftovers."

Been there. Done that. Great way to lose weight, when there's not enough food to go around, so you don't eat for a week in order to ensure your kids have enough.

"It's one thing to tell people how to live their lives, and another to be in their position and have to make the decisions that they've made."

Hear, hear.

649 posted on 05/16/2002 2:31:52 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: guywiththeanswer
It is just as important to stimulate one's mind in the same fashion.

...something you have obviously not done. As I said earlier, you don't know that you don't know. Your conception of "logic" is tenuous at best.

650 posted on 05/16/2002 2:32:25 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: guywiththeanswer
MBA from Stanford

Figures...

the logic that I presented makes perfect sense

BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! Direct orthogonality to previous statement... (DAMN I crack myself up!)

NO I'm not actually going to make a serious rebuttal unless you syn-op-size that atrocity of a mangled paragraph above... You can feel sorry for me if you like, but I cain't understand a damn thing you wrote up there, dude. Something about Song of Solomon. And I'm probly more edumacated than YOU are if anybody wants to know.

/obligatory salutatory atomic wedgie ("Welcome newbie! Pull them pants back up now, we don't need t' see that...")

651 posted on 05/16/2002 2:36:33 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: one_particular_harbour
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. You need to read the article more carefully.

Besides, I thought you favored public school. Now it's a punishment for a child to go to public school?

BTW, your posts over the past months/years that have anything to do with Christianity make it abundantly clear you have a mad-on about it.. Protest all you want; what I wrote is accurate.

652 posted on 05/16/2002 2:38:41 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: guywiththeanswer
But seriously dude. A little formatting will go a long way towards Not P!ssing Other Folks Off. Pictures and small bitesize grape-flavored words are nice too.
653 posted on 05/16/2002 2:41:35 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: Chemist_Geek
"The school offered to waive the last month's tuition for the student so the young girl could remain in school to the end of the year if the mother would quit her job as a strip-tease dancer. They also offered to support the mother and walk 'hand in hand' with her as she worked through the spiritual issues involved and sought to better her life," said Hagelin.

Gee, one month's break on tuition if the mother immediately gave up her source of income. To me that sounds more insulting than helpful.

But you're right, despite the original spiteful and judgemental attitude displayed by the pastor, he's willing to let bygones be bygones so long as the mother agrees to forgo her livelihood. What a great man!
654 posted on 05/16/2002 2:44:24 PM PDT by flyervet
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To: savedbygrace
Now it's a punishment for a child to go to public school?

Wouldnt you say that public schools are more destructive to the family and our country than a stripper mom?

I encourage you to go read the off-topic forum of any online game board that your kids could be playing and come back and tell me that public schools arent destroying this country.

655 posted on 05/16/2002 2:45:48 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: one_particular_harbour
Nasty sunsabitches. So somebody went there, saw her, and started the rumor. Nice.

There's no information in the SacBee story about where the rumors got started. However, I would like to point out that according to the information we have, no one from the school or any of the other parents went to the strip club itself. I do wonder what pictures they have on their Web site, though...

Silvas, who is single, said school administrators telephoned her last week and told her that in response to persistent rumors, a parent went to the strip club's Web site, downloaded pictures of Silvas and brought them to school staff. Silvas told them she does dance at the all-nude bar, which doesn't serve alcohol, and subsequently met with Cole.

656 posted on 05/16/2002 2:48:22 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: dubyaismypresident
I'm sorry that I credited oph with your theory.

If the stripper's daughter gets to stay at the school and she grows up to want to be a stripper, I wonder if the stripper will sue the school for not succeeding at instilling Christian values in her child.

657 posted on 05/16/2002 2:50:02 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Between the public school alternative to the private school and the mom being a stripper, the strip tease is definately the lesser evil.
659 posted on 05/16/2002 2:53:10 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: maxwell
...and small bitesize grape-flavored words are nice too.

Aw piffle. I can't write well enough to condescend with spoon.

That is a great line though.

660 posted on 05/16/2002 2:53:40 PM PDT by Woahhs
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