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Kindergartener's stripper-mom in church-school flap
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, May 16, 2002

Posted on 05/16/2002 2:29:30 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

A private Christian school and a kindergartener's mother who stripteases for a living are quickly becoming the focus of the latest debate on religious freedom.

Officials of Capital Christian School in Sacramento, Calif., discovered that what they thought had been a private meeting with a mother of a kindergartner who violated her commitment to school policy had become a news story on the local CBS affiliate KOVR.

The story first came to the attention of WorldNetDaily when WND columnist Rebecca Hagelin was invited Wednesday morning to discuss the issue on CNN's popular afternoon talk show "Talk Back Live." The only information circulating at the time was a brief description of a broadcast report filed by KOVR-TV which broke the story late Tuesday evening.

The summary blurb summed up the story this way: "A mother says her daughter is getting expelled from kindergarten because mom is a part-time stripper. This is about a five-year-old girl who attends Capital Christian School in Sacramento. But her mother says when the school found out she was an exotic dancer they told her she had one week to get her daughter out of their school."

Since the school's position was entirely absent from the report, Hagelin contacted the pastor of Capital Christian Church, the sponsoring church of the school. Senior Pastor Rick Cole was clearly disturbed by the events and reluctant to discuss details. Cole did, however, agree to provide certain facts about the case that had not been disclosed by the mother when she contacted the local television station about the situation.

Although Cole did not reveal the identity of the mother or child, WND subsequently learned their identities from KOVR-TV reporter George Franco, but has opted not to disclose the names to protect the child's privacy.

Hagelin reported the other side of the story during her appearance on CNN yesterday.

"By air time Wednesday afternoon, I had secured two interviews with pastor Cole from my car phone," she said. "His greatest concern and reluctance to speak came from his desire to protect the mother and her daughter." Given that only part of the story had become national news, she added, Cole thought it important provide the rest of the story.

Cole explained that recently school officials had become aware that the mother in question works as a part-time strip-teaser dancer at a local club. Since her occupation is in violation of an agreement with and commitment to the school philosophy that parents must sign before the children are admitted to school, school officials, including Cole met the mother.

Not wanting to divulge the personal and confidential details of the conversation with the mother, Cole only briefly outlined the details of the offer officials had made the mother -- which had been left out of previous news stories.

"The school offered to waive the last month's tuition for the student so the young girl could remain in school to the end of the year if the mother would quit her job as a strip-tease dancer. They also offered to support the mother and walk 'hand in hand' with her as she worked through the spiritual issues involved and sought to better her life," said Hagelin. "The pastor believed that the meeting had been well-received by the mother, but the next thing he knew he was getting calls from the local media. I found Pastor Cole to be clearly upset that his efforts to help a woman in a very bad situation were not successful."

As a requirement for admission, parents of prospective students must sign a "commitment" to support the philosophy of the school. That philosophy, in part, reads: "Emphasis is placed on learning about God and the truths of God's Word in relationship to man and his world; recognizing that the way to God comes through personal faith in Jesus Christ; and Christian maturity comes by application of the truths of the Bible in all areas of life." In signing the document, parents agree to maintain a "partnership" with the school "regarding the standards and criteria of a Christian learning structure that involves the entire family."

"Although school officials see the mother's job as a stripper as a clear violation of her signed commitment, automatic termination of the relationship was not an option for them," said Hagelin. "The pastor and school attempted to help the mother better her life, and offered her both financial, spiritual and emotional support."

In Hagelin's interview with the pastor, he described how the role of the school differed somewhat from that of the church. While the church has open arms to all who wish to attend, he discussed how essential parental commitment is to the success of a school of 1,200 students that seeks to provide both high academic and spiritual standards for each and every student, noted Hagelin.

Reporter George Franco of KOVR told Hagelin that the mother has retained legal counsel and is considering filing a motion for an immediate injunction to have the child remain in school while the mother continues to work as a stripper.


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To: one_particular_harbour
Fine Christian example - fine Christian witness. A flawed person tries to do right by her child and gets slapped for it - the child gets punished as well.

Baloney, the mother signed on to the precepts of the school, the fact that she is a stripper is contradictory to the values set by the school. Being a stripper can never be right for the child. If the Mother does not quit being a stripper the school has the right to remove the child bec SHE undermines what the school is trying to teach the child.

Its the same as if I joined a church but decided to be a drunkard and was unrepentant. The church has every right to throw me out.

561 posted on 05/16/2002 12:31:04 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: AppyPappy
My, you are quite the statist. You think the school should be forced by law to accept every student without any choice just so the little dears can take advantage of the school. What ever happened to freedom of association and the right to private property? You socialists will never be happy as long as we are free.

My, you have quite the imagination there Appy

It's funny, you mention Freedom, yet you actively defend Pastor Busy Body and crew for attempting to deny the Freedom of this Woman to actively support her child.

Gee, you Authoritarians will not be happy as long as us heathens haven't been Relaxed properly...

562 posted on 05/16/2002 12:31:18 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: Lord_Baltar
"Nah, I find it Authoritarian to use a patently illegal Religious based Ethics Statements to justify monitoring people's off hours activities."

Reminds me of a local Mennonite church that excommunicated one of it's members because a fellow member of the congregation saw him at the Pizza Hut, drinking a beer with his pizza. True story.

563 posted on 05/16/2002 12:31:26 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: kjam22
I'm always amazed at people who have a 3rd grade knowledge of the bible... yet feel qualified to instruct pastors and churches as to their biblical christian responsibility.

I'm not claiming to be a biblical authority, numbnuts, and if you if you care to read any of my posts on this thread, you'll find that I came down on the school's side of the issue. You're so g-damn eager to smite me you didn't read a word I wrote. Nice christian attitude, buddy.

564 posted on 05/16/2002 12:33:02 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: kjam22
So, then Opine for me, if you will, on his actions concerning the young man stripped of the Valedictorian Privlege, because his haircut was too short...(same Headmaster...)
566 posted on 05/16/2002 12:33:47 PM PDT by hobbes1
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To: jim35
Are those the only alternatives? Give me a break.

I don't know about this particular woman, but I do know that most men and women who try to break away from the sex industry have a very difficult time of it unless they have a lot of support. Clearly, this woman can't count on the support of her church.

How about just getting a regular job?

All right, I'll pose the question to you, too. If you had an open position with dozens of qualified applicants and one stripper with few skills and little or no education, to whom would you give the job? One of the dozens of qualified applicants who have suffered from the Clinton recession through no fault of their own, or the stripper?

Personally, I think the best thing this woman can do now is go back to school during the days to improve herself and her chances of escaping the flesh trade. This probably does include continuing to strip, at least for awhile, but I say, better the short term humiliation to increase her chances of providing a better life for herself and her child.

Funny, but so many single moms seem to make a living (not necessarily a well paid living) without doing any of the above.

Many of the women who resort to stripping have few if any other legal options. Personally, I applaud them for not being on welfare.

Stripping is no way to make a living, if you want to be a decent person.

Maybe this woman is more concerned about being a decent mom than being a decent person. Certainly providing for your child and her education is honorable, though this woman's means are questionable.
567 posted on 05/16/2002 12:34:19 PM PDT by flyervet
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To: Lord_Baltar
Nice rant.
568 posted on 05/16/2002 12:34:29 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: hobbes1
So, then Opine for me, if you will, on his actions concerning the young man stripped of the Valedictorian Privlege, because his haircut was too short...(same Headmaster...)

"Thou shalt not cutteth thy hair in ridiculous formations, for they are excessively whackie and may cause much unwanted and untoward mirth and amusement. Nor shall thou pierceth thy schnozz, or thy nipples, or the evil nether regions of a woman, or getteth the dreaded "Prince Albert," for verily I say to you these are the sins of rebellion and are quite odius indeed."

569 posted on 05/16/2002 12:36:53 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Harrison Bergeron
Thanks, I'm thinking decafe for the rest of the day might be a good thing
571 posted on 05/16/2002 12:41:03 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: one_particular_harbour
NFW . . . < shudder >.
572 posted on 05/16/2002 12:42:45 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Lord_Baltar
The lady can do whatever she wants to the child. She cannot demand that someone educate her child against their wishes.
573 posted on 05/16/2002 12:43:22 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: xsmommy
I just find it incongruous that she is so vehement that her child have a CHRISTIAN education, that she must fund with a job stripping.

I smell a setup. I wonder how they found out and if she had something to do with their finding out about it.

There's a Christian school in town that has rules about student conduct outside of school that will invite suspension. They also have a suggestion in their rule book that parents should please dress modestly when they pick up their children from school, but it doesn't stop a few mothers who go to pick up their children in t-shirts over bikinis or real short shorts.(this is in Florida). The worse part is that I see the little girls of those few mothers and the little girls have embarrassed, pained expressions when their mothers pick them up dressed like that (at that age, don't tell me the little girls have been brainwashed by the Christian school, modesty IS natural for children after potty training age.) Maybe the exotic dancer dressed like one after hours too.

The frumpy hausfraus theory doesn't wash either. Often the modestly dressed are much better looking and sexier looking than the skimpy dressers (perhaps the skimpy dressing is a sign of insecurity?)

574 posted on 05/16/2002 12:43:48 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"Have any of you people actually read the Sacramento Bee story I linked?"

This thread got off track a couple of hundred posts ago.

575 posted on 05/16/2002 12:45:33 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: AppyPappy
Outback Church. "No right. Just rules."
576 posted on 05/16/2002 12:46:00 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: flyervet
Certainly providing for your child and her education is honorable, though this woman's means are questionable.

You think that children love the money when their parents are strippers, x-rated movie actors, pimps and prostitutes? That's why Dr. Laura has an audience and you don't.

577 posted on 05/16/2002 12:46:21 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I'm not claiming to be a biblical authority, numbnuts, and if you if you care to read any of my posts on this thread, you'll find that I came down on the school's side of the issue. You're so g-damn eager to smite me you didn't read a word I wrote. Nice christian attitude, buddy.

LOL.... you make my point. In the same phrase you admit you're not a "biblical authority"... yet you are ready to define "christian attitude".

578 posted on 05/16/2002 12:48:51 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: xsmommy; one_particular_harbour
The frumpy hausfraus theory... I think that was OPH.
579 posted on 05/16/2002 12:49:41 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: xsmommy
I have yet to meet a 5 yr old who is capable of understanding "stripping". Most of them don't even understand "work", only that their parent(s) have to go somewhere every day.

I think the mom should be using the opportunity to go to college, or get some sort of training so that she can change jobs before the child is old enough to comprehend.

580 posted on 05/16/2002 12:49:51 PM PDT by SCalGal
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