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Lincoln s Spectacular Lie
LewRockwell.com ^ | 4/29/02 | Karen De Coster

Posted on 05/01/2002 4:39:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur

The notion that Lincoln’s Union preceded the states is a tall tale. Author Tom DiLorenzo, in his celebrated new book, The Real Lincoln, calls it Lincoln’s spectacular lie, as so named by Emory University philosopher, Donald Livingston.

The War Between the States was fought, in Lincoln’s mind, to preserve the sanctity of centralization powered by a strong and unchecked federal government. Only through such an established order could Lincoln do his Whig friends the honor of advancing The American System, a mercantilist arrangement that spawned corporate welfare, a monetary monopoly for the Feds, and a protectionist tariff approach that stymied free traders everywhere.

This power role for the Feds, as envisioned by Lincoln, had no room for the philosophy of the earlier Jeffersonians, who in 1798, were declaring that states’ rights were supreme. Both Madison and Jefferson, in the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, legitimized the concept of state sovereignty via the policy of nullification, an inherent right for states to declare federal acts invalid if unconstitutional. And before that, let it be duly noted that the right to secede is, as DiLorenzo says, “not expressly prohibited by the Constitution.”

Lincoln, however, believed that secession was basically an act of treason. To him, the glory of the Union was based upon a holier-than-thou view of the core elites who would run the Washington Machine, doling out the federal largesse to its friends and political supporters, those mostly being Northern manufacturers and merchants. Therefore, the Southern secessionist movement and its claim of self-rule violated the Lincolnian principle of nationalization and coercive law in his move toward complete centralization. So what was Lincoln to do?

Lincoln had to stamp out Southern Independence, and would start with a demonization of secession as “an ingenious sophism.” DiLorenzo focuses on the two political arguments Lincoln used against secession, one being that secession inevitably meant anarchy, which therefore violated the principle of majority rule. As DiLorenzo points out, the founders of our system of government “clearly understood that political decisions under majority rule are always more to the liking of the voters in a smaller political unit.” The other Lincoln argument against peaceful secession is that allowing the Southern states to secede would lead to more secession, which in turn leads to anarchy. Clearly, that is a crass argument that would not stand the test of time.

“The advocates of secession”, says DiLorenzo, “always understood that it stood as a powerful check on the expansive proclivities of government and that even the threat of secession or nullification could modify the federal government’s inclination to overstep its constitutional bounds.”

DiLorenzo takes the reader on a summarized journey of secessionist history, from the earliest parting by colonialists from the wrath of King George, to the New England secessionists, who pre-dated the Southern movement by over a half-century. Oddly enough, it was the New England Federalists that had first threatened to dissolve the Union because of an intense hatred of Southern aristocracy. Beginning with the election of Jefferson to the Presidency, an intense battle over individual morality, immigration, trade restrictions, and regional principles sparked a division between the Puritan Northeast and a more freewheeling and influential South. In order to eliminate all political ties, the Northeasterners tried in vain to break the bonds of Union, and the movement lasted until the failed Secessionist Convention in 1814, as the War of 1812 came to a close.

As the author points out, during the entire New England ordeal, there is virtually no literature to be found that supports the view that the inherent right to secession was non-existent. It was, in fact, really never questioned.

Eventually, Lincoln needed a trump card and turned to using the institution of slavery as the emotional taffy-pull to rouse the citizenry for a long and bloody war. Though, indeed, the earliest words of Lincoln defy this purpose as he consistently reveled in the triumph of the all-powerful centralized state that would one day achieve “national greatness.” Even DiLorenzo doesn’t attempt to define what this means, but only describes those words as having some sort of “alleged mystical value.” The Lincoln war machine was thus set in motion, with the ends of an Empire run by chosen elites justifying the means of tyranny.

The states, in a Lincolnian democracy, would be forever underneath the footprint of Union hegemony.


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To: r9etb
OK Sidney, now take a deep breath and run along on back to Aunt Polly before something BAD happens to you.
101 posted on 05/03/2002 1:14:39 PM PDT by one2many
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To: JeffersonDavis
And you have yet to show me where Jay says "perpetual" union.

I don't know that Jay uses the word "perpetual". He did say:

"Experience disappointed the expectations they had formed from it; and then the people, in their collective and national capacity, established the present Constitution. It is remarkable that in establishing it, the people exercised their own rights and their own proper sovereignty, and conscious of the plenitude of it, they declared with becoming dignity, "We the people of the United States," 'do ordain and establish this Constitution." Here we see the people acting as the sovereigns of the whole country; and in the language of sovereignty, establishing a Constitution by which it was their will, that the state governments should be bound, and to which the State Constitutions should be made to conform."

But perpetual, you say?

"The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom and forebearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for 'perpetual union' so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession."

Robert E. Lee,January 23, 1861

Walt

102 posted on 05/03/2002 1:15:56 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
And there is the crux of the matter. The question was "show where Lincoln considered the black inferior"? No one was questioning whether he thought they should be treated equally (and he was the main originator of the "separate but equal" mindset that permeated society until the Civil Rights Era). So, to reiterate the Lincoln quote (emphasis mine) "I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."
103 posted on 05/03/2002 1:17:57 PM PDT by I Luv Bush
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To: one2many

Honest Abe

Americans north and south, east and west, now thank him for saving our Union.

104 posted on 05/03/2002 1:18:05 PM PDT by ned
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To: JeffersonDavis
What puzzles me is the fact that these people say that the union created the states, hince a "perpetual" union.

As I stated above, the Preamble states that the purpose of the Constitution is to create a more perfect Union, which is an explcit acknowledgement that a "less perfect" union (that created by the "Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union") was already in existence.

From the perspective of the Constitution, the union of states did already exist, and was taken for granted. The Constitutional Convention was convened by the union of states in order to correct the defects of the Articles of Confederation (See Federalist 40), and to define a new relationship between Union and States. In that sense "the Union" really did create the states, at least insofar as they're defined by the Constitution.

But how does that explain North Carolina and Rhode Island whow were both in substance and in name, out of the Union after the Constitution had already been in operation?North Carolina didn't ratify the Constitution for nearly nine months after it was in operation and Rhode Island for full fifteen months. If the union created the states, now can they explain this one?

This is in perfect accord with Federalist 38, which said that the states are to be considered sovereign with regard to their ratification of the Constitution. The basic idea is that any state that did not ratify the Constitution was free to go its own way. It certainly wouldn't do to coerce a ratification from the states. However, once a state did ratify, it was explicitly bound to be part of the Union.

IOW, it's quite easy to explain.

105 posted on 05/03/2002 1:18:42 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: JeffersonDavis
Seems to me that it is plain. And considering that West Virginia was a state in which slavery was legal, you'd think he wouldn't exempt them. Seems your argument is still flawed.

Not at all. Given that preservation of the Union was paramount, the exemption is best explained as a wartime exigency -- to not make your allies mad, and to prevent a needless provocation to those in occupied areas.

106 posted on 05/03/2002 1:25:06 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: billbears
Actually South Carolina seceeded by the vote of a convention appointed by the governor. If that qualifies as legal in your mind then so be it. However, the Supreme Court ruled that acts of secession like South Carolina's were not legal and their opinion's are the ones that matter. It was not an independent country, not in 1861 and not ever. It was not a 'separate and equal nation' just because you say it was. It was a section of the United States in rebellion.

But be that as it may, it only serves to highlight the fact that South Carolina WAS the first state to actually take the illegal action of unilateral secession. Had she tried it thirty years earlier, or had Massachussetts tried it or Connecticut tried it then the actions of the federal government should have been the same.

107 posted on 05/03/2002 1:28:33 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: JeffersonDavis
Then your complaint is with those who make Lincoln out to be something that he never claimed to be. To the best of my knowledge Lincoln never denied saying that he thought the black man was not his equal in the Lincoln-Douglas debates. He never denied that he proposed colonization for blacks. He did say over and again that he disagreed with slavery and thought it should end. So if you still insist on condemning Lincoln because of what he said about black equality, then you must also condemn Davis for saying as much or worse. If you condemn Lincoln for proposing colonization then you must also condemn Lee and Breckenridge for favoring the same thing. And if you condemn Lincoln for saying slavery should be ended, well I guess the southern leaders get a pass because none of them ever proposed that.
108 posted on 05/03/2002 1:37:15 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

"one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

109 posted on 05/03/2002 1:39:54 PM PDT by ned
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To: I Luv Bush
Also from the Lincoln Douglas debate:

I have never said anything to the contrary, but I hold that, notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects—certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without the leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man.

Can you name a single southern leader who suggested that the black man was entitled to the same rights as a white man? One who suggested that the black man was his equal in any way?

110 posted on 05/03/2002 1:42:18 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ned
"Americans north and south, east and west, now thank him for saving our Union."

A lot of us in the South sure as (Abraham Lincoln is in) Hell don't.

111 posted on 05/03/2002 1:46:33 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: SkyPilot
Justice? Abe Linclon has a BIG Memorial, which he deserved. We will always be indebted to him for preserving the Union. Scream, bitch, gripe, throw facts, figures, quotes, whatever. There it is! The BIG Memorial!!
113 posted on 05/03/2002 1:47:42 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: Non-Sequitur
"However, the Supreme Court ruled that acts of secession like South Carolina's were not legal ..."

When?

114 posted on 05/03/2002 1:48:29 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: one2many; r9etb
Considering how you extracted his words in a very deceptive way, I understand his animosity. However, I think a great way to handle this would be for both of you to simply drop it.
115 posted on 05/03/2002 1:50:57 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: ned
"one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

If indivisibility is to be preserved by force, then there cannot be liberty and justice for all".

116 posted on 05/03/2002 1:51:18 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Aurelius
A lot of us in the South sure as (Abraham Lincoln is in) Hell don't.

How many people are in "a lot"? 104? 278?

117 posted on 05/03/2002 1:52:10 PM PDT by ned
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To: Aurelius
Texas v. White, 1869.
118 posted on 05/03/2002 1:53:40 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ned
"How many people are in "a lot"? 104? 278?

A great deal more than that.

119 posted on 05/03/2002 1:54:04 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Non-Sequitur
I don't have many quotes in front of me, but I do know that Jefferson Davis said that "The slave must be made fit for his freedom by education and discipline, and thus be made unfit for slavery", and then he attempted to do it by instituting slave laws, courts and juries run by the slaves which he used to teach them what their duties and responsibilities as free citizens would be about. I find it interesting that Davis' slave legal system allowed him to pardon a convicted party, but not to increase the punishment meted out by the slave jury.
120 posted on 05/03/2002 1:56:25 PM PDT by I Luv Bush
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