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Anti-Semitism Today by Oriana Fallaci
Corriere della Sera ^ | April 12, 2002 | Oriana Fallaci

Posted on 04/20/2002 2:57:03 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter

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To: Nix 2
Wassallam Aliyakum, bin Nix

All of that must be a bit of a worry for you, eh?

You should probably write a book about it, too.

In the meanwhile, though, I will stay with The Book I have.

The one my Father gave me.

A'Dios

Brian

61 posted on 04/24/2002 12:51:38 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
Well, Brian. What a nightmare world you must cling to. I believe very strongly in Mosaic Law. It is in that *Book* your *Father* gave you. Read it and get a grip on some reality here. And as a matter of fact, I HAVE written a book about it. The only prerequisite is that you have some common sense.
Why do you strive so mightily against the truth of these facts that you dasn't admit that people do evil? Even Christians and Jews who believe in nothing.
62 posted on 04/24/2002 1:18:43 AM PDT by Nix 2
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Dear Nix

This has been an interesting exercise for me.

Ever the relentless [Tongue-in-cheek, to be sure!] pursuer of Truth; the passionate and almost Quixotic champion of the underdog; detesting cruelty and injustice – and having a passion for justice and an insatiable curiosity to match, I was interested to hear what the atheistic totalitarian socialist Fallaci had to say about Europe’s obscene and revealing neo pogroms.

And, for an atheistic totalitarian socialist, Fallaci said what she said very well indeed.

Her indictment of Europe’s appalling history of institutionalized hatred of The Jewish People is as complete as it is obscene.

But, sadly for Truth, Justice and The American Way, Fallaci, being the "good" atheistic totalitarian socialist that she is, couldn’t miss the opportunity to take a libelous swipe at the Church of her childhood. That Church whose fellow-fallen former female followers of Fallaci’s age group are heavily overrepresented in the locked wards of the world’s mental hospitals; their lives of youthful promiscuity and abandon having, in their dotage, come back, one might say, to haunt them!

And so in an otherwise quite impressive article she threw in the atheistic totalitarian socialists’ tired old libel about the Catholic Church and her side’s Christian-hating [And mass-murdering] atheistic totalitarian-socialist, National Socialist Workers’ Party, pagan-heathen, Hitler.

And I protested that single lie.

And then, amazed at the reaction and at what happened next, stayed around to see what crawled out from under what rocks and what appearance of what "evidence" other Fallaci-like Christian haters would have lined up in support of Fallaci’s atheistic-totalitarian-socialists' tired old libel about NAZI paganism and the Catholic Church!

And what an interesting experience that has been.

And now I am bored with it and will move on.

And continue to pray that any that cannot see the error of his way – and before his hatred and rage consumes him and those around him – is shown the Light.

G-d bless Y’All!

63 posted on 04/24/2002 1:59:43 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Prodigal Daughter;2Sheep;onyx
Articles like this remind us where we are all headed.
This reality is not just the machinations of physical man..but spiritual
Looking back..we can discern corruption in many systems..from government to religion,..in our time we see the return.
Yet we were warned that this would occur...the drawback...is it is not just localized to Jew hatred..eventually it will progress to those who believe upon the testimony of their Creator.
The lines of division are only beginning..in time..those who follow not after the world will find themselves objects of scorn ..rejection and violence.
We see Islam flying off the handle...Anti-semitism..railing accusation against the Church over its faults.
The bottom line is man is succumbing to evil imaginations.
Sophisticated types..and there are lots..will say this is sequential..cause and effect.
Yet they are wrong..it isn't..its spiritual..and it is leathal.
WW-2 and other realities remind us of what can happen when man is decieved..the outcome horrific.
64 posted on 04/24/2002 2:19:05 AM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Prodigal Daughter
. Do you have the Rage and the Pride saved or was it posted here?

I have a copy saved. If you need it, let me know, and I'll email toyou...send me your address by freepmail.

65 posted on 04/24/2002 2:25:26 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: Brian Allen
Your mistake, Brian, is that facts is facts whether we like them or not. I never accused the entire Christian world OR the Church, but you can't say there was no portion of either, including the Muslims in North Africa, who helped Hitler or at least stayed out of the way. There are heroic stories on the other side of this issue as well. So what, exactly, did you learn? We know Fallaci's history. It doesn't make what she said any less true OR false. History is not a guessing game when it was such a short while ago that people who were there can still speak of it.
This isn't about the Church. It's about evil. PEOPLE do evil.
Not to mention that you were extremely unfair to Prodigal Daughter in the accusations you made against her just to play what you THINK was an intellectual game.
It wasn't intellectual. It wasn't funny. And you really think you had a legitimate point?
Not today.
66 posted on 04/24/2002 2:39:08 AM PDT by Nix 2
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To: Nix 2
It isn't about the Church, that is the Truth.

And facts is facts and History is History.

And the truth is The Truth!

And foul libels is foul libels.

And false and malicious and bigoted predetermination is false and malicious predetermination.

And having to hand and promulgating and publishing the appearance of "evidence' in support of an evil predetermination is fundamental dishonesty.

And the fundamentally-dishonestly-supported foul libel that I struck out against and stand against until I am without the breath and/or the strength to do so longer; that there was an institutionalized "Christian Church [The Catholic Church and the Lutheran were mentioned] participation in" the pagan-heathen false-fuerher-Mohammed-emulating totalitarian-socialist Hitler's slaughter of at least seven million Christians and six million Jewish People -- and some others, gypsies, sexual deviants etceteras; [And/or that the people ordering and/or doing the slaughtering met any reasonable definition of what is "a Christian"] is and will remain a fundamentally-dishonestly-supported foul libel!

And you and I will disagree about that.

Cordially -- Brian

67 posted on 04/24/2002 2:57:13 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
I said they were not true Christians, but you had a problem with that. You said I was judging them "not worthy". I would be happy to find out that there was no institutionalized collusion on the part of some Lutheran and Catholic churches, or other churches, especially in Germany and Croatia. I would be happy to find out that the anti-semitic statements by church "fathers" and founders are just anti-Christian propaganda written by some enemy of the faith. But if not, nothing is gained by suppressing the information. The Bible does NOT teach that the end justifies the means. If you have some information that will back up your claims, I would suggest that posting the information would do more for your cause than the personal attacks.
68 posted on 04/25/2002 5:43:52 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Prodigal Daughter
I said they were not true Christians .....

That's good, then. Always a pleasure to find common ground.

..... but you had a problem with that.

On the contrary, I am delighted that we have discovered something to agree about.

I would be happy to find out that there was no institutionalized collusion on the part of some Lutheran and Catholic churches, or other churches, especially in Germany and Croatia.

Just as I would that the mass terrorization of whole populations was not occurring at the time; that Total War was not being waged; that the pagan-heathen NAZI's propaganda machine and its ceaseless spewing of lies deceits and mis- and dis-information was not being so effective; that ceaseless revisionism has not occurred ever since 1945 and continues apace -- and there was any way of knowing who said what and to whom and if words and statements ascribed to anyone and/or to any institution were ever uttered by the individual and/or by anyone connected to the institution -- and/or under what circumstances.

A clue as to whether or not the Catholic Church was institutionally involved might be gained from the fact that after the war, the Chief Rabbi of Rome -- in part as the expression of his immense gratitude to the Pope and to the Church for the massive efforts both had made to rescue and/or to save "hundreds of thousands of Jewish People" [At the cost of the lives of more than three million Catholics] -- converted to the Catholic Faith.

That monstrously bloody-evil Europeans were engaged with Hitler in his mass-murders and other Evil is not in dispute. To call any of them "Christian" is to redefine Christianity.

..... I ... suggest ..... would do more for your cause .....

I don't have a "cause" here; a dog in this fight -- or a stake in either the Catholic or Lutheran Churches.

My participation in this thread was first to point out that Fallaci ruined an otherwise very fine essay with her visciously-anti-Catholic libel and then to take on the fact that you were so ready to post the appearance of "evidence" in support of the original libel -- and of your own subsequent libels.

But; back to openers; I am glad that we have found a little common ground. Shalom.

FReegards

Brian

69 posted on 04/25/2002 2:50:54 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Prodigal Daughter
I just went back and read the piece she wrote after Sept. 11. Un-farking-believeable. It was masterful.
70 posted on 04/25/2002 9:18:37 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: Prodigal Daughter
BTTT..so I can save it and read it whenever I want!!
71 posted on 06/11/2002 2:15:54 PM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: nicmarlo
another fallaci ping. This piece was also tilted "I stand with israel, I stand with the jews".
72 posted on 02/16/2003 7:36:34 PM PST by Cacique (Censored by Admin Moderator)
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To: All
oriana is simply the best...
73 posted on 04/17/2004 6:14:00 AM PDT by an italian
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