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Anti-Semitism Today by Oriana Fallaci
Corriere della Sera ^ | April 12, 2002 | Oriana Fallaci

Posted on 04/20/2002 2:57:03 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter

I find it shameful that in Italy there should be a procession of individuals dressed as suicide bombers who spew vile abuse at Israel, hold up photographs of Israeli leaders on whose foreheads they have drawn the swasitka, incite people to hate the Jews. And who, in order to see Jews once again in the extermination camps, in the gas chambers, in the ovens of Dachau and Mauthausen and Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen et cetera, would sell their own mother to a harem.

I find it shameful that the Catholic Church should permit a bishop, one with lodgings in the Vatican no less, a saintly man who was found in Jerusalem with an arsenal of arms and explosives hidden in the secret compartments of his sacred Mercedes, to participate in that procession and plant himself in front of a microphone to thank in the name of God the suicide bombers who massacre the Jews in pizzerias and supermarkets. To call them "martyrs who go to their deaths as to a party."

I find it shameful that in France, the France of Liberty-Equality-Fraternity, they burn synagogues, terrorize Jews, profane their cemeteries. I find it shameful that the youth of Holland and Germany and Denmark flaunt the kaffiah just as Mussolini's avant garde used to flaunt the club and the fascist badge. I find it shameful that in nearly all the universities of Europe Palestinian students sponsor and nurture anti-semitism. That in Sweden they asked that the Nobel Peace Prize given to Shimon Peres in 1994 be taken back and conferred on the dove with the olive branch in his mouth, that is on Arafat. I find it shameful that the distinguished members of the Committee, a Committee that (it would appear) rewards political color rather than merit, should take this request into consideration and even respond to it. In hell the Nobel Prize honors he who does not receive it.

I find it shameful (we're back in Italy) that state-run television stations contribute to the resurgent antisemitism, crying only over Palestinian deaths while playing down Israeli deaths, glossing over them in unwilling tones. I find it shameful that in their debates they host with much deference the scoundrels with turban or kaffiah who yesterday sang hymns to the slaughter at New York and today sing hymns to the slaughters at Jerusalem, at Haifa, at Netanya, at Tel Aviv. I find it shameful that the press does the same, that it is indignant because Israeli tanks surround the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, that it is not indignant because inside that same church two hundred Palestinian terrorists well armed with machine guns and munitions and explosives (among them are various leaders of Hamas and Al-Aqsa) are not unwelcome guests of the monks (who then accept bottles of mineral water and jars of honey from the soldiers of those tanks). I find it shameful that, in giving the number of Israelis killed since the beginning of the Second Intifada (four hundred twelve), a noted daily newspaper found it appropriate to underline in capital letters that more people are killed in their traffic accidents. (Six hundred a year).

I find it shameful that the Roman Observer, the newspaper of the Pope--a Pope who not long ago left in the Wailing Wall a letter of apology for the Jews--accuses of extermination a people who were exterminated in the millions by Christians. By Europeans. I find it shameful that this newspaper denies to the survivors of that people (survivors who still have numbers tattooed on their arms) the right to react, to defend themselves, to not be exterminated again. I find it shameful that in the name of Jesus Christ (a Jew without whom they would all be unemployed), the priests of our parishes or Social Centers or whatever they are flirt with the assassins of those in Jerusalem who cannot go to eat a pizza or buy some eggs without being blown up. I find it shameful that they are on the side of the very ones who inaugurated terrorism, killing us on airplanes, in airports, at the Olympics, and who today entertain themselves by killing western journalists. By shooting them, abducting them, cutting their throats, decapitating them.

(There's someone in Italy who, since the appearance of Anger and Pride, would like to do the same to me. Citing verses of the Koran he exorts his "brothers" in the mosques and the Islamic Community to chastise me in the name of Allah. To kill me. Or rather to die with me. Since he's someone who speaks English well, I'll respond to him in English: "---- you.")

I find it shameful that almost all of the left, the left that twenty years ago permitted one of its union processionals to deposit a coffin (as a mafioso warning) in front of the synagogue of Rome, forgets the contribution made by the Jews to the fight against fascism. Made by Carlo and Nello Rossini, for example, by Leone Ginzburg, by Umberto Terracini, by Leo Valiani, by Emilio Sereni, by women like my friend Anna Maria Enriques Agnoletti who was shot at Florence on June 12, 1944, by seventy-five of the three-hundred-thirty-five people killed at the Fosse Ardeatine, by the infinite others killed under torture or in combat or before firing squads. (The companions, the teachers, of my infancy and my youth.)

I find it shameful that in part through the fault of the left--or rather, primarily through the fault of the left (think of the left that inaugurates its congresses applauding the representative of the PLO, leader in Italy of the Palestinians who want the destruction of Israel)--Jews in Italian cities are once again afraid. And in French cities and Dutch cities and Danish cities and German cities, it is the same. I find it shameful that Jews tremble at the passage of the scoundrels dressed like suicide bombers just as they trembled during Krystallnacht, the night in which Hitler gave free rein to the Hunt of the Jews.

I find it shameful that in obedience to the stupid, vile, dishonest, and for them extremely advantageous fashion of Political Correctness the usual opportunists--or better the usual parasites--exploit the word Peace. That in the name of the word Peace, by now more debauched than the words Love and Humanity, they absolve one side alone of its hate and bestiality. That in the name of a pacifism (read conformism) delegated to the singing crickets and buffoons who used to lick Pol Pot's feet they incite people who are confused or ingenuous or intimidated. Trick them, corrupt them, carry them back a half century to the time of the yellow star on the coat. These charlatans who care about the Palestinians as much as I care about the charlatans. That is not at all.

I find it shameful that many Italians and many Europeans have chosen as their standard-bearer the gentleman (or so it is polite to say) Arafat. This nonentity who thanks to the money of the Saudi Royal Family plays the Mussolini ad perpetuum and in his megalomania believes he will pass into History as the George Washington of Palestine. This ungrammatical wretch who when I interviewed him was unable even to put together a complete sentence, to make articulate conversation. So that to put it all together, write it, publish it, cost me a tremendous effort and I concluded that compared to him even Ghaddafi sounds like Leonardo da Vinci.

This false warrior who always goes around in uniform like Pinochet, never putting on civilian garb, and yet despite this has never participated in a battle. War is something he sends, has always sent, others to do for him. That is, the poor souls who believe in him. This pompous incompetent who playing the part of Head of State caused the failure of the Camp David negotiations, Clinton's mediation. No-no-I-want-Jerusalem-all-to-myself. This eternal liar who has a flash of sincerity only when (in private) he denies Israel's right to exist, and who as I say in my book contradicts himself every five minutes. He always plays the double-cross, lies even if you ask him what time it is, so that you can never trust him. Never! With him you will always wind up systematically betrayed.

This eternal terrorist who knows only how to be a terrorist (while keeping himself safe) and who during the Seventies, that is when I interviewed him, even trained the terrorists of Baader-Meinhof. With them, children ten years of age. Poor children. (Now he trains them to become suicide bombers. A hundred baby suicide bombers are in the works: a hundred!).

This weathercock who keeps his wife at Paris, served and revered like a queen, and keeps his people down in the shit. He takes them out of the shit only to send them to die, to kill and to die, like the eighteen year old girls who in order to earn equality with men have to strap on explosives and disintegrate with their victims. And yet many Italians love him, yes. Just like they loved Mussolini. And many other Europeans do the same.

I find it shameful and see in all this the rise of a new fascism, a new nazism. A fascism, a nazism, that much more grim and revolting because it is conducted and nourished by those who hypocritically pose as do-gooders, progressives, communists, pacifists, Catholics or rather Christians, and who have the gall to label a warmonger anyone like me who screams the truth.

I see it, yes, and I say the following. I have never been tender with the tragic and Shakespearean figure Sharon. ("I know you've come to add another scalp to your necklace," he murmured almost with sadness when I went to interview him in 1982.) I have often had disagreements with the Israelis, ugly ones, and in the past I have defended the Palestinians a great deal. Maybe more than they deserved. But I stand with Israel, I stand with the Jews.

I stand just as I stood as a young girl during the time when I fought with them, and when the Anna Marias were shot. I defend their right to exist, to defend themselves, to not let themselves be exterminated a second time. And disgusted by the antisemitism of many Italians, of many Europeans, I am ashamed of this shame that dishonors my Country and Europe. At best, it is not a community of States, but a pit of Pontius Pilates. And even if all the inhabitants of this planet were to think otherwise, I would continue to think so.

© Oriana Fallaci, Panorama, Corriere Della Sera, 12 April 2002


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To: Brian Allen
No, I want to acknowledge that there are and have always been many Christians in name only who distort and pervert the Word. The churches are lukewarm for the most part, passive for the most part. Jesus said we would know them by their fruit. Why do we idolize the church "fathers" so much and the present church hierarchies, the businesses who call themselves churches, that we can't acknowledge how many hypocrites there are in the folds, TRAITORS with a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. Maybe Oriana Fallaci, like many people I know, has met too many CINOs and maybe not one CINO lifted a finger to help her father when he was tortured by Nazis. Today some of them (Catholics and Protestants) serve tea to terrorists and are anti-Semitic. Every person who calls themselves a Christian and uses the label to manipulate, abuse, spout anti-semitism or other prejudice, is dangerous. Accusing me of libeling Christians is typical, what about them?
41 posted on 04/22/2002 8:41:28 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Prodigal Daughter
I want to acknowledge that there are and have always been many Christians in name only

Who are therefore NOT Christians.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

And no-one accused you of libeling Christians.

At least, not yet.

But here you are in your own hand, writing that these people whom you say you have judged to be not Christians at all are in fact Christians but that they are only to be Christians for the purpose of making your argument that these Christians who are not Christians at all murdered Jewish People after which presumably they will again resort, according to your judgement, to being Christians only in name -- that is to not actually being Christians at all?

Now, there is no doubt that the athiestic, lunatic left-wing fringe-dwelling Fallaci's libel was and is an obscenity. She writes with crystal clarity and her failed Catholicism will out!

Fallaci's is a foul example of the Goebbelsian Big Lie.

But who could possibly accuse you of such a libel?

Or of anything at all?

Why, he would need the combined skills of a Karl Yung AND a Sigmund FReud just to figger out what on Earth you were trying to say!

Cordially

Brian

42 posted on 04/22/2002 10:01:15 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
You must think Hitler (and Arafat) happened in a vaccuum and had no help from "Christian" pastors and priests. Those pastors and priests have not been condemned by their church hierarchies, neither have the anti-semitic writings of church "fathers".

Well, I seem to remember that the Lutheran church, or at least one of its branches, apologized for Martin Luther's anti-semitic writings. However, in Hungary, a politician/pastor recently called publicly for all Jews to be expelled from Hungary. While the Lutheran sheep protested en masse, his fellow pastors for the most part, applauded him, and asked him to be the keynote speaker at their annual convention in Hungary.

Let me see, the Catholic church apologized for the Inquisition, but if Queen Isabella/Jezebella is beatified, me and my converso-Jewish- heritage family will be livid.

Hypocrisy isn't limited to pagans, atheists, Buddhists, Moslems and Hindus. We have less hypocrisy in the Christian churches, but we ARE held to a higher standard.

Judge not?

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Mass meeting of the German Christian Movement 13 Nov.1933
A radical wing of German Lutheranism and the main Protestant branch supporting Nazi ideology, the German Christian Movement reconciled Christian doctrine with German nationalism and antisemitism. (Maybe someone can tell me what the banner says, I see "Christ" "Evangelium" and "Reich")


43 posted on 04/22/2002 12:11:34 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Your evil, Madam and your hatred for and of Christians, is exceeded only by your mean-spirited bigotry; by your self-righteousness; by your appalling ignorance -- and by the fundamental dishonesty with which you arrange the appearance of "evidence" in support of your malignant and malisciously-false predetermination.

In 1933 the Christian-hating, death and destruction worshipping, Pagan Heathen, Hitler, had just been ELECTED in Germany.

Most AMERICANS favored his election -- and he was the favorite of such American luminaries as Charles Lindberg and soon-to-be Ambassador to the Court of Saint James, Joe "De Bootlegger" Kennedy.

Why not a picture or two with them and/or a couple or six with British Prime Minister Chamberlain?

According to your malignant "logic," wouldn't having his picture taken with the false-fuerher-Mohammed-following and emulating Chancelor Hitler make every one of Lindy and Joe Kennedy and Prime-Minister Chamberlaine guilty of aiding and abetting the slaughter of Christians and Jews, too? Perhaps, if you were not so visciously intent upon libeling Christians you might have had those pictures as close to hand as you have your obscene postings? Those that may be thought by the ignorant, the mean-spirited and the fundamentally dishonest to add support to your foul libel?

Many of the people in your readily-to-your-hand pornography were no doubt subsequently murdered by Hitler's Pagan-Heathen and islamic 70-IQ goons -- along with the seven million Christians [Including three million Catholics] and six million People of the Jewish faith.

But when your pictures were taken the Berlin Olympics were still 3 years in the future, Kristalnacht 5 years, the pogroms almost seven -- and the beginning of the mass-murders; most of which took place under the cover of total war; still almost seven years -- almost the entire length of the KKKli'ton "presidenzy" -- in the future.

And no one pictured in your obscene postings -- not even the Neo-Mohammed, Herr Shickelgruber himself, had any idea of where the next decade of Absolute power was going to take that manifestation of Evil incarnate -- and his fellow Pagans.

44 posted on 04/22/2002 1:17:48 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
Pastor Derrick Trimble wrote the owner of an atheist website that posted the following photos:

Unfortunately we cannot take back the slanderous behavior conducted by those in the past and in the present that falsely assume the name Christian. I think it will probably be a problem until the end of time. White Supremacists, those who justify murder to stop abortionists, Balkan genocide, Indonesian tribal violence, and the spread of hate dialog from Christian? groups is probably a reality we will have to live with until the return of Christ. There is a judgment and these will be perhaps judged more severely than any other. Hopefully in the mean time there will be those that counter false representations of Christianity with more appealing transparency.

This following letter refers to a concentration camp which at the time was run by Lutheran deacons in Bad Segeberg, near Hamburg. The deacons charged the district president for their expenses. Archive [KS]

The District President
of Segeberg County
Bad Segeberg, City Hall, Hamburger Straße 30
Date of Receipt

To the National Association for Inward Mission (=Deaconry)
Department concentration camp Kuhlen
in K u h l e n Neumünster District.

(reference nr.) (file number)
Ref. 7,2 - 12/2/1933 -

Re:,

Your letter of 28. last month to the mayor as head of the local police department of Bad Segeberg, referring to the payment of the amount invoiced for prisoners in protective custody (the term was generally used for concentration camp inmates) for the months September and October totaling 145.80 RM, has been forwarded to me. Hereupon I inform you that the invoice of 71.55 RM for September has not been ordered to be paid. This referred to the prisoners (blackened) and (blackened) from Bad Segeberg. The amount has already been invoiced with the letter to the District President. In this case the amount thus has been invoiced twice.

From here I cannot ascertain if the amount of 74.25 RM for October has been paid, because all the records are in Schleswig. To investigate in this case the name of the prisoners in question will be required, as well as the total amount of the invoice for the month October. by proxy

signed Jensen

Title Page of a German Christian Magazine, April 1939

Please note that when this magazine was printed, the majority of the Nazis' crimes had already been committed. Communists, democrats, homosexuals, and others had already been carried off into concentration camps, the shameful anti-Jewish race laws of Nuremberg had been introduced 1935. Even those who for a long time had been closing their eyes to the evilness of the Nazis could no longer delude themselves, after the "Kristallnacht" of November 1938, a government-incited public pogrom against the remaining Jews when thousands were killed in the streets, had taken place. The German army had "peacefully" (and to the relief of the major part of its population) annexed Austria in early 1938, and - less peacefully - invaded Czechoslovakia in March 1939

German Deacon Press
MAGAZINE FOR MALE DEACONRY
Official Organ of the German Deacons

One is your Master, Christ, but ye are all brethren

25th Year - - April 1939 - - Nr 4

Heil to the Führer of all Germans

After German troops had occupied a part of the territory of Yugoslavia in the middle of WW II, a fanatical Catholic soldiery under their leader Ante Paveliç took over in neighboring Croatia. These Christian rebels called themselves the Ustashi. In just a few weeks they formed a terror regime which rivaled the German Nazi version. All religions except Roman Catholicism were persecuted, most of their followers were gathered in concentration camps. On this picture a Catholic priest celebrates a Holy Mass for the Ustashi troops. The officer on the left leaves no doubt whom the Ustashi viewed as a model. Photograph in:

This is the entrance of one of the concentration camps the Ustashi quickly had erected all over their country. In Jasenovac, the most notorious one, under the command of a Franciscan friar named Filipovic, nicknamed "Brother Death," atrocities comparable only to Auschwitz took place. Like the Nazis the Ustashi burned their victims, using the former brickkiln of the factory turned concentration camp at Jasenovac. Unlike the Nazis who were decent enough to gas their victims first, the Ustashi pushed their victims into the furnace alive.

Photos on this page

45 posted on 04/22/2002 4:12:51 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Oriana Fallaci's 9-11 essay was posted here this weekend. She pulls no punches about the state of mind in Europe today especially on the Eurotrash Left. She knows more than all of her critics combined what's really going on. The depth and quality of this article demonstrates why she deserves her reputation as the 20th century's foremost journalist. God Bless Her. You can even forgive her being identified with the Left such that in her old age she sounds practically like a conservative! There was a time when it was once fashionable to make one's political home on the Left but that's no longer in the case. Its not just anti-Americanism and anti-semitism, its being an apologist for every form of barbarity conceivable under the sun thanks to the twin doctrines of multi-culturalism and moral relativism. One can't muster the integrity to defend such a movement and to her credit, Fallaci takes on all the sacred cows of the present European order. Friends and Freepers, that takes guts and that take courage. And as the vote in France revealed, there is a lot of public dissatisfaction with the Leftist elite establishment in Europe. Fallaci's critique of the Left's dominant themes today illustrate how to be a Leftist you have to surrender your integrity and independence. And those are exactly the things Fallaci any more than the rest of us, isn't willing to give up. As long as God keeps her on this world, we should all expect to hear from her exactly as we've heard her voice, clear, direct, and passionate, speaking as a witness to both history and the truth. Our time deserves no less that sort of champion in its affairs.
46 posted on 04/22/2002 4:29:18 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Prodigal Daughter
What part of:

Your evil, Madam and your hatred for and of Christians, is exceeded only by your mean-spirited bigotry; by your self- righteousness; by your appalling ignorance -- and by the fundamental dishonesty [And consumate and well-practiced skill] with which you arrange the appearance of "evidence" in support of your malignant and malisciously-false predetermination;

Are you having the most trouble understanding?

47 posted on 04/22/2002 11:05:11 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: reformedliberal
No. They will not. Because we will fight back this time and many others will fight with us.

This British Catholic will be in the front line should anything like Adolf rear its ugly head again. We beat him before, we'll beat his heirs.

Regards, Ivan

48 posted on 04/22/2002 11:08:56 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Brian Allen
Your evil,

Bad syntax Brian, here's examples.

You're nuts! Means, you are crazy.

Your nuts. Means, your testicles.

49 posted on 04/23/2002 7:09:44 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Jeremiah Jr
I was addressing the evil she promulgates, not the fact the recipient of the message may very well have also been nuts. That is I was talking about her evil [Noun] -- the evil belonging to her -- and not telling her that she is ["You are" etceteras] evil. [Adverb] Although she may very well be!

But where I live -- and how -- Judgement is a reserved occupation!

50 posted on 04/23/2002 1:42:21 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
So its no accountability, past or present, because that would be "judging, evil and bigoted". Let's not forget that I'm a "liar", never mind I could give you five plus pages of bibliographies.

You have some nerve for calling me a bigot when I have pointed out that many have used their position in churches to conspire against the Christian faith.

You may have never gone through the ordeal of having a relative raped as a child by a clergyman, and the clergyman still in place, the victim's (or I should say victims) faith in God destroyed, but I have. Unlike you, I don't think of them as perfect and/or above the law. Some are called, and some are just wolves in sheep's clothing.

And some keep singing louder and louder.

51 posted on 04/23/2002 2:58:09 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Prodigal Daughter; Jeremiah Jr; Thinkin' Gal; Light Speed; mancini; Governor StrangeReno; Nix 2;
Amen to all you have posted to this thread.  People have a choice between believing Tradition or Truth.  Desperately sad how many go with Tradition.  It is obvious that Brian is persecuting you.  And he said it couldn't happen.

Jer 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Mt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

52 posted on 04/23/2002 3:33:22 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
THE 'CHURCH' IN ALL ITS GLORY!!!
53 posted on 04/23/2002 4:01:23 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Chap missed his calling in life by about 60 years would of made an excellent ss officer,a rabid hateful scum of the Isis Horus Set sect of Rome
54 posted on 04/23/2002 4:26:51 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: 2sheep
It is obvious that Brian is persecuting you.

Thank you for the "ping" sheep.

Isn't it interesting to see the way that gutless lying libelous zealots are forced together?

Must be that misery, as they say, loves company?

[Knowing only joy and love in my life I can only guess at that!]

Perhaps the illusion of safety in numbers is grasped by the Evil doers, the haters and the other miserable as if it offers some, albiet scant and fleeting, comfort to their miserable poor lost souls?

Is scant and fleeting comfort important, do you feel, to those who willingly place themselves in the company of -- and on the side of -- and offer support to -- the doing of Satan's work?

To those who put themselves in the company of self-appointed, self-righteous, [Despite that is its own reward!] Evil-doing, mean-spirited, hatred-and-rage-driven, miserable, Goebbelsian-Big-Lying, libelous, Christian-hating zealots and hypocrites?

Anyway, just in case any here -- or any you know of anywhere, come to that -- fall into that category [And who am I to Judge?] -- I will pray that all of them -- and you -- are shown The Way -- and given His strength.

And that they -- and you -- learn to love one another.

And then, who knows, one day I may come across one or more of them -- or you -- and will immediately know you.

By your work -- and by your example.

And now, if you will excuse me I must leave this parade of hypocrites you and I have stumbled upon and must enter into my closet in secret and pray for you to my Father which seeth in secret and .........

55 posted on 04/23/2002 10:53:54 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Governor StrangeReno
Chap missed his calling in life by about 60 years would of made an excellent ss officer,a rabid hateful scum of the Isis Horus Set sect of Rome ....

Having a bad PPS* day, Janet?

In that condition you should stay close to the cave today -- and close to the mirror and look yourself squarely in the eye as you project vomit your hate speech.

Your PPS* by the way, reveals to the world; which deserves better; a complete canvas of the content of your character.

And it's all bad, Janet.








*PPS: Psychopathological Projection Syndrome.

56 posted on 04/23/2002 11:06:33 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
The woman posted some pictures of your precious clergy with nazis,posted some factual stories and then suddenly she is the recipient of the most evil tirade of mental abberation I have ever witnessed on this forum from a cretin that calls himself a Christian if I were an apostle my words to you would be drop dead
57 posted on 04/23/2002 11:16:09 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Governor StrangeReno
and anger should not last more than a day may the Lord Jesus Christ let my words fall to the ground with non effect
58 posted on 04/24/2002 12:12:07 AM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Governor StrangeReno
..... The woman posted ... the most evil tirade of mental abberation I have ever witnessed on this forum ....

You got that right, Janet!

..... a cretin that calls himself a Christian .....

Who, I wonder, could that be? As in: Is one or more of that fellow-hate-speech-spewin' coven of yours looking over your shoulder into that mirror I recommended that you sidle up to before you engage that contents-of-your-character-projecting PPS-driven malignant mouth of yours, Janet? Or are you alone again?

Still?

.... if I were an apostle my words to you would be drop dead

If you were one of those we would all be burning in Hell.

Too.

Shalom! Shalom!

Brian


59 posted on 04/24/2002 12:25:58 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
pray for you to my Father which seeth in secret and .........

And Who knows all the truth and all the lies and how far one can go, deluded, without ever removing the moat from one's own eye. PD NEVER accused all of Christendom of evil, but there is certainly evil there. Without evil, we would have no understanding of what is good and righteous or how dearly beloved of G-d we are to be given such a gift of understanding.
In you, and in the things you have said, I see denial of truth. Denial of truth is a lie. And the lie will consume you if you let it.
So let me explain this. There are Christians and Jews who call themselves Christians and Jews who believe in nothing while swearing otherwise. By doing this, even if you murder thousands or only one in the Lord's Name, believing in nothing, it matters not. If you murder in your OWN name, one or one thousand, believing nothing, it matters not. You murder your own soul and with that goes all hope. You have died inside yourself and nothing you can ever do will return that which you willingly allowed to depart. There is no eternity for a dead soul. It is sudden and empty death. REAL death and you go to it with no hope of redemption.
The LAW is such that almost any other sin you commit, excluding ONLY murder, can be forgiven. For this to be so, you must ask your victim for forgiveness and mean it. If you are NOT forgiven, even if you ask, then the punishment for one who can't forgive is misery for the one who has to carry hatred around until it finally subsides. With this comes profound sadness because it is healing to forgive. For some, it takes longer than others. Though YOU will bear the burden of guilt, you ARE forgiven. As in go and sin no more.
The whole LAW is that you MUST ask the receiver of your transgresssion. You cannot ask someone you have murdered for forgiveness. You cannot ask the families of those you murdered for forgiveness. No one can forgive you. Therefore, you are never forgiven even if you live a hundred more years and pray 24 hours a day. There is NO forgiveness for murder.
Living in a lie will not murder your soul, but it will make you weak. It will allow you to stand by while others murder in YOUR name, and when THAT happens, you have just as surely murdered as if it had been by your own hand.
All that is on this page is the truth. If you prefer the lie, then you believe in nothing.

60 posted on 04/24/2002 12:31:48 AM PDT by Nix 2
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