HOT! "Deathbed" Confession Transcript -- World Exclusive Iraqi intelligence tied to Terry Nichols

Insight Mag ^ | 04.19.02 | Timmerman

[ctdonath2]

But doesn't leave a crater commensurate-sized directly under the bomb and doesn't damage buildings across the street.

Having studied explosives, I say it does. Prove otherwise; go take 400+ gallons of ANFO and set it off on asphalt - I bet it does exactly that.

[berned]

A boatload (of ANFO)practically removed a city.

OK, then why doesn't al-queda just fill up a pleasure-craft with ANFO and take out NYC? If ANFO is as holocaust-producing as you suggest, why is al-queda spending millions and millions trying to acquire "dirty bombs" and "suitcase nukes"?

Could it be because ANFO makes a lame-ass bomb? A bomb that just blows out windows and tree-stumps and makes the ground shake but is incapable of destroying, say -- a building?

[Plummz]

I am more interested in punishing the 'others unknown' than nuking 'Iraq.'

Concur. It is very important to remember that the Iraqis who have been running around OKC for the past ten years were brought here by George HW Bush and remained here under the presidencies of Clinton and Bush II. The "GSA" workers who were lurking around the basement a few days before (probably placing the explosives on the columns) and spotted walking around from the scene were big white guys, not Iraqis.

[Plummz]

I've seen this transcript posted elesewhere (maybe here on FR). I thought Timmerman was working on something new.

[mommadooo3]

This has been posted here. I can't find it now, have been looking.

Backhoe, do you have it archived somewhere in your links/DUBOB threads???

[mommadooo3]

This has been posted here. I can't find it now, have been looking.

Backhoe, do you have it archived somewhere in your links/DUBOB threads???

[quimby]

That they occurred accidentally is largely irrelevant, as they HAPPENED on an OKC scale.

Wrong. A shipload of amonium nitrate is a far cry from a ryder truckload. As I stated above, name one time a ANFO bomb was contructed to blow up a buiding before OKC.

[mommadooo3]

SHEESH...how in the heck did THAT happen?

Oh well, lotsa 'bumpin' going on. LOL.

[gatex]

"To: ctdonath2--- If ANFO is as holocaust-producing as you suggest,..."

700-900 (can't remember which ) people were killed in the Texas City ammonium nitrate explosion.

[quimby]

700-900 (can't remember which ) people were killed in the Texas City ammonium nitrate explosion.

Killed by a ship load af amonium nitrate, not a ryder truckload.

[galt-jw]

lets see now....flight 800 blows up a day before the olympics, from an explosion allegedly which has never happened before, a tail falls of the plane in new york, which has never happened before, when terrorists have said they would make planes fall from the sky, okc building blows up, from one bomb and a couple of rednecks. who needs pravda? if it doesnt make logical sense, its probably a lie. we are living in a nation of gullible idiots. and if you dont toe the line, you are a conspiracy nut. 9/11 was a conspiracy, worked very well too. i'm not afraid of terrorists, i am afraid of the government. if this is the way they lie to us about these things, what else? underground bases and art bell stuff? golly, couldnt kill the taliban cause of their underground bases though, could we. maybe it's time to stop mocking the tinfoilers.

[berned]

How did McVeigh manage to control the explosion so that only the Murrah bldg was signigicantly damaged and not the many other structures nearby? How did that streetlight manage to survive so nicely? How come the only people in that busy commercial area who died were all in the murrah bldg?

How come emergency vehicle were able to access the very street where the ryder truck sat on? It's a fact of physics that a bomb does the most damage to the surface it's directly in contact with, which in this case would be the street. Why wasn't the street more severly damaged than the murrah bldg?

[Plummz]

The ANFO bomb at Murrah didn't do even do any damage to the "Survivor Tree." It blew out some windows and such in the front of the building, charges placed on columns inside the building caused the second explosion reported by eyewitnesses and the OU seismograph, bringing down the building.

[AuntB]

Bumping for a later read.

[backhoe]

I thought I had added that today, but I haven't! Rats!

[Alamo-Girl]

I agree that information is being slowly released (e.g. anthrax, smallpox, camelpox, Iraq-911, Arafat, this) so that the public will be prepared and not panicky. I think it was necessary to do it this way to buy time to neutralize WMD blackmail, prepare health care workers, military forces and homeland security. And I do expect a military campaign of overwhelming force against Iraq in the near future.

[gatex]

"...Why wasn't the street more severly damaged than the murrah bldg?..."

That is the mystery -- I got the FEMA report several months ago, but haven't had time to study it. However, have long wondered how an explosion in the street could break concrete columns. -- U.S. Army FM 5-25, Explosives and Demolititions , says -- "It (ammonium nitrate ) is not effective as a steel-cutting explosive because of its slow velocity of detonation." [page 13].

[theirjustdue]

"Bombs lose their punch as they travel through space. The do the most damage against the material they are directly in contact with. In this case, that would be the street. The street directly under the truck should have had more damage to it than the murrah bldg."

You are essentially correct in your statement. The exception, would be if any type of substantial tamping were employed, such as the sandbagging of the floor of the truck and the side furthest from the Murrah building, which would have directed most of the force towards the Murrah.

Ammonium Nitrate is a slow burning (or detonating) explosive (around 12k fps) and does its work by pushing and not cutting, which why it is used for cratering. In any case, given where the truck was located, I would have expected to find many reinforced columns left primarily intact, if not some even left standing (in some form) and a substantial crater to have been left under the truck.

[Alamo-Girl]

I'm so very glad Paul Rodriguez is a Freeper!!! He has been on the frontlines of the stand against the darkness for a long, long time!