Posted on 04/19/2002 8:35:39 AM PDT by Registered
| "Deathbed" Confession Transcript -- World Exclusive Posted April 19, 2002 The following interview with ELMINA ABDUL, widow of EDWIN ANGELES, one of the cofounders of the ABU SAYYAF GROUP (ASG), and deep cover agent for the Defense Intelligence Group (DIG) of the Department of National Defense (DND), of the Republic of the Philippines, was taken on March 10, 2002, in the presence of CHRISTOPHER M. PUNO, Information Officer of the Province of Basilan, at BASCOM Hospital, in the general ward. TRANSLATED TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW WITH ELMINA ABDUL, WIDOW TO EDWIN ANGELES TAKEN AT BASILAN COMMUNITY HOSPITAL GENERAL WARD ISABELA CITY, PROVINCE OF BASILAN REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES BY DORIAN ZUMEL SICAT NEWS CORRESPONDENT MANILA TIMES, OMEGA NEWS SERVICE (USA) (After introduction to ELMINA ABDUL by Provincial Information Officer Christopher Puno) NOTE: I interviewed ELMINA in Tagalog, she answered me in Chavacano and Cebuano, two of the local dialects spoken in Basilan. She did not speak in the indigenous dialect because she knew that I do not speak or understand that dialect. DZS: Good morning Ms. Angeles DZS: How are you feeling this morning? EA: Not very well. DZS: Do you feel like talking with me? EA: Yes, but not so long. I am tired. DZS: I will try to be as short as possible. Did Chris tell you what I am here to talk to you about? EA: Yes. And I am the one who asked him to look for you after I was told that you are interested in the truth about my husband. DZS: Good. Okay. You are not Edwin's first wife, is that true? EA: Yes. I am his third wife. For Muslim men, they can have even four wives, if each of the other ones approve. DZS: How, when and where did you meet Edwin? EA: We met when he was in the Provincial Jail here in Isabela, in 1995. I was then working for the government radio station, dxOS (Philippine Information Agency)/PIA. DZS: That was after his capture? EA: Yes. DZS: When did you marry him? EA: In 1997. DZS: I am going to ask you some very sensitive questions now. Is that all right with you? EA: Yes. I want to tell the truth of what I know of my late husband. DZS: Did you know that he was one of those who founded the ASG, along with the late Abdurajak Abubakar Janjalani, in 1991? EA: Yes. I know also why he was one of them. DZS: Can you tell me why? EA: Yes, I want to tell you why. I want now to tell the truth about my husband. I will die soon. I want you to know the truth. Will you write the truth, Mr. Sicat? DZS: Yes. I will. I promise. EA: You are not afraid? DZS: More than you know, Mrs. Angeles. EA: Good. Maybe you will stay alive and safe because of your fear. I will tell you that Edwin was ordered to do that. DZS: Can you explain please. EA: He was what they call a deep penetration agent or DPA. DZS: Can you explain please? EA: As I told you, he was given orders. DZS: By whom? EA: Some very powerful men in the DND. DZS: Did he tell you why? EA: No. Only that he was ordered to help to organize the ASG and to report all developments. DZS: Did he tell you who it was? EA: Not by names. But he told my only at the highest levels. DZS: Did he ever tell you about his activities in the ASG before he met you? EA: He told me everything. I do not believe that he would hide anything from me when we were talking alone. DZS: Please do not be offended, but how do you know that? EA: Not only because I was his wife, but because he knew that he would soon be killed. He wanted me to know everything so that if anything happened to him I could tell others. DZS: Do you want to stop now? EA: No. More water please. DZS: Can I ask you about some things that happened back in the mid-90s? 1993, 1994? EA: Yes. I will try to answer what you ask. DZS: Did he ever talk to you about meetings with Arabs or Americans? EA: Yes, once he had met with some Arabs and Americans in 1994, in Davao (City), or General Santos (City). DZS: Did he tell you who they were? EA: Does the name Ramsey Yousef mean something to you Mr. Sicat? DZS: Ahmad Hassim. Does that mean something to you? EA: He had met with them. And an American who he called Terry or the Farmer, and another American whom he did not name. DZS: Was the American he named as Terry, Terry Nichols? EA: He did not mention the surname. Only Terry. DZS: Did he tell you why and how many times they had met? EA: They met almost every day for one week. They met in an empty bodega (warehouse). They talked about bombings. They mentioned bombing government buildings in San Francisco, Saint Louis and in Oklahoma. The Americans wanted instructions how to make and to explode bombs. He (Edwin) told me that Janjalani was very interested in paying them much money to explode the buildings. The money was coming from Yousef and the other Arab. DZS: Did he tell you when the bombs would explode; when they exploded? EA: He told me that the Americans exploded one bomb in Oklahoma in 1995, after he was arrested and after we first met. DZS: Did he ever tell you who was supplying the money for the bombing of the building, I mean who Yousef was working with or for? EA: Mr. Sicat, you are the mediaman. Do you not know that Yousef was representing Iraq and Saddam Hussein? Do you not know that? DZS: Did Edwin tell you that? EA: Not only Edwin, but others that were close to us, before he was killed. One time, a soldier (Philippine Army) and Edwin were talking secretly. I was there because Edwin demanded. The soldier ordered Edwin never to tell anybody about the Iraqis. DZS: Did you ever see that soldier before or after that time? EA: Only two times before. He was the one who would talk to him for information. DZS: Mrs. Angeles, do you know who killed your husband, Edwin? EA: The ones who used him and then betrayed him, Mr. Sicat. (She grows visibly weaker). I want to rest now. DZS: I understand. I'll let you rest now. Thank you so much, Mrs. Angeles. You have told me so much. I will try to see you tomorrow if you are up to it. NOTE: I was not able to speak with ELMINA again. She became too weak and incoherent the following day. A few days later, the doctors had diagnosed that she was terminal. She needed to be transferred to Davao City to the Regional Hospital (government) for treatment. A few days later, while I was in Davao, arranging for her admission to the Regional Hospital, Chris told me that she could no longer be moved. She would die in transit. Since Muslims require burial within 24 hours of death, I understood the reasoning. The following day, Chris contacted me that ELMINA ABDUL, widow to EDWIN ANGELES (killed by unknown assailants in 1998), died in the pre-dawn hours Saturday March 30. She was the last one to talk with her husband before he was killed. I was the last and only reporter to talk with her about her husband before she died. (sgd) DORIAN ZUMEL SICAT News Correspondent Manila Times /Omega News Service (USA) Investigative Liaison to Law Office of John Michael Johnston Robert Bickel, Sr. Senior Investigator and Legal Analyst Law offices of John Michael Johnston Elmina Abdul Angeles Statement |
And just who started using the victims, blaming conservatives from Rush Limabaugh to Newt Gingrich for the OKC bombing ? Most victims I suspect would prefer the truth.
Traditional conservative reporters, those we know to be 'friends', be it Evans Ambrose Pritchard to the New American all reported on (how quickly we forget) Andres Strassmeir's strange reltionship with the US Dept. of Defense, McVeigh, the Aryan Republican Army, the Irish Republican Army, Kirky Lyons (who also appeared on coincidentally, on the losing side of the Waco lawsuits on behalf of the victims).
I never said I was interested in nuking Iraq. I am interested in knowing the truth about recent events, so that proper steps can be taken to ensure the security of the U.S.
Yes, but a fertilizer bomb was NOT what brought down the building. It was, possibly, "diversion."
Things are never as they seem in spookland, and there can be several layers of things waiting to be "discovered" on purpose.
Mmm hmm. But the buildings right across the street suffered little damage. And the feds STILL won't release the (several) video tapes that were running BEFORE THE EXPLOSION AND AS IT OCCURRED from nearby businesses. And the crater isn't the right size. Etc etc etc.
Move along - nothing to see here.
MULTIPLE incidents, all showing what a pile of ANFO can do. If they can do that much damage accidentally, and such accidents happened repeatedly, it's NOT a stretch for someone to say "hey, I'll do that intentionally!".
not a bomb in the OKC bombing sense.
What part of "large quantity of ANFO ignited in a confined space equals an OKC type bomb" don't you get? The only difference between the listed accidents and OKC is intent and a rented truck!
what is common knowledge today was not then common knowledge.
BS. That was common knowledge in farming country (gee, lots of fertilizer & desel around: AN + FO + spark = BOOM). I learned it in high school out of the chemistry teacher's textbooks. Farmers used it regularly.
A couple of ANFO bombs have been used in the middle east since OKC, but I don't know of any before then and appearently neither do you.
Didn't you read my post? I listed numerous instances! That they occurred accidentally is largely irrelevant, as they HAPPENED on an OKC scale. Maybe Nichols/McVeigh was the first time it was used intentionally on that scale, but the accidents show that it was simple to do on that scale; was just a matter of time before motivation converged.
Amen, bro, but what really amazes me is that they COME HERE!!!!! Why would someone belong to Free Republic if they take the clinton administration's word at face value for every event of the last 9 years. And yet, the minute someone questions the "official state dogma" about anything, they say "tin foil hat" "get a clue" "the wingnuts are out today" ...
It amazes me! Why don't they just watch Dan Rather if they truly disbelieve everything we talk about here? None of us KNOW the truth about the clinton stuff for a fact. We are all groping our way to the truth, which requires a certain amount of speculation. If they really believe the govt tells them the truth about everything, what are they doing on this website?
Neither is it as difficult a process as you imply.
A few ounces can remove a stump.
A boatload practically removed a city.
Somewhere inbetween is the truckload which is enough when detonated a few feet from major support columns.
But doesn't leave a crater commensurate-sized directly under the bomb and doesn't damage buildings across the street.
Bombs lose their punch as they travel through space. The do the most damage against the material they are directly in contact with. In this case, that would be the street. The street directly under the truck should have had more damage to it than the murrah bldg.
Ok, so he made several trips. 'tis possible that he even consulted with some people on those trips. The confession might even be entirely true.
My key point in my OKC rants is not to wholly disprove some conspiracy theories (though others are flagrantly preposterous), but to show that they are not necessary. Too many TV-addled brains can't comprehend Occam's Razor, and don't understand reality enough to know where it applies. Too many OKC conspiracy theorists insist "they MUST have had help, or been set up, or had an Arab connection, or...". (Between socialsim, movies and advertising, far too many people are brainwashed into thinking people can't act on their own, that there MUST be complex conspiratorial help.) At minimum, it is entirely reasonable to consider that Nichols & McVeigh may very well have done the whole thing on their own. Is there more to the story? probably. Is more necessary to the story? no.
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