Posted on 04/19/2002 8:35:39 AM PDT by Registered
| "Deathbed" Confession Transcript -- World Exclusive Posted April 19, 2002 The following interview with ELMINA ABDUL, widow of EDWIN ANGELES, one of the cofounders of the ABU SAYYAF GROUP (ASG), and deep cover agent for the Defense Intelligence Group (DIG) of the Department of National Defense (DND), of the Republic of the Philippines, was taken on March 10, 2002, in the presence of CHRISTOPHER M. PUNO, Information Officer of the Province of Basilan, at BASCOM Hospital, in the general ward. TRANSLATED TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW WITH ELMINA ABDUL, WIDOW TO EDWIN ANGELES TAKEN AT BASILAN COMMUNITY HOSPITAL GENERAL WARD ISABELA CITY, PROVINCE OF BASILAN REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES BY DORIAN ZUMEL SICAT NEWS CORRESPONDENT MANILA TIMES, OMEGA NEWS SERVICE (USA) (After introduction to ELMINA ABDUL by Provincial Information Officer Christopher Puno) NOTE: I interviewed ELMINA in Tagalog, she answered me in Chavacano and Cebuano, two of the local dialects spoken in Basilan. She did not speak in the indigenous dialect because she knew that I do not speak or understand that dialect. DZS: Good morning Ms. Angeles DZS: How are you feeling this morning? EA: Not very well. DZS: Do you feel like talking with me? EA: Yes, but not so long. I am tired. DZS: I will try to be as short as possible. Did Chris tell you what I am here to talk to you about? EA: Yes. And I am the one who asked him to look for you after I was told that you are interested in the truth about my husband. DZS: Good. Okay. You are not Edwin's first wife, is that true? EA: Yes. I am his third wife. For Muslim men, they can have even four wives, if each of the other ones approve. DZS: How, when and where did you meet Edwin? EA: We met when he was in the Provincial Jail here in Isabela, in 1995. I was then working for the government radio station, dxOS (Philippine Information Agency)/PIA. DZS: That was after his capture? EA: Yes. DZS: When did you marry him? EA: In 1997. DZS: I am going to ask you some very sensitive questions now. Is that all right with you? EA: Yes. I want to tell the truth of what I know of my late husband. DZS: Did you know that he was one of those who founded the ASG, along with the late Abdurajak Abubakar Janjalani, in 1991? EA: Yes. I know also why he was one of them. DZS: Can you tell me why? EA: Yes, I want to tell you why. I want now to tell the truth about my husband. I will die soon. I want you to know the truth. Will you write the truth, Mr. Sicat? DZS: Yes. I will. I promise. EA: You are not afraid? DZS: More than you know, Mrs. Angeles. EA: Good. Maybe you will stay alive and safe because of your fear. I will tell you that Edwin was ordered to do that. DZS: Can you explain please. EA: He was what they call a deep penetration agent or DPA. DZS: Can you explain please? EA: As I told you, he was given orders. DZS: By whom? EA: Some very powerful men in the DND. DZS: Did he tell you why? EA: No. Only that he was ordered to help to organize the ASG and to report all developments. DZS: Did he tell you who it was? EA: Not by names. But he told my only at the highest levels. DZS: Did he ever tell you about his activities in the ASG before he met you? EA: He told me everything. I do not believe that he would hide anything from me when we were talking alone. DZS: Please do not be offended, but how do you know that? EA: Not only because I was his wife, but because he knew that he would soon be killed. He wanted me to know everything so that if anything happened to him I could tell others. DZS: Do you want to stop now? EA: No. More water please. DZS: Can I ask you about some things that happened back in the mid-90s? 1993, 1994? EA: Yes. I will try to answer what you ask. DZS: Did he ever talk to you about meetings with Arabs or Americans? EA: Yes, once he had met with some Arabs and Americans in 1994, in Davao (City), or General Santos (City). DZS: Did he tell you who they were? EA: Does the name Ramsey Yousef mean something to you Mr. Sicat? DZS: Ahmad Hassim. Does that mean something to you? EA: He had met with them. And an American who he called Terry or the Farmer, and another American whom he did not name. DZS: Was the American he named as Terry, Terry Nichols? EA: He did not mention the surname. Only Terry. DZS: Did he tell you why and how many times they had met? EA: They met almost every day for one week. They met in an empty bodega (warehouse). They talked about bombings. They mentioned bombing government buildings in San Francisco, Saint Louis and in Oklahoma. The Americans wanted instructions how to make and to explode bombs. He (Edwin) told me that Janjalani was very interested in paying them much money to explode the buildings. The money was coming from Yousef and the other Arab. DZS: Did he tell you when the bombs would explode; when they exploded? EA: He told me that the Americans exploded one bomb in Oklahoma in 1995, after he was arrested and after we first met. DZS: Did he ever tell you who was supplying the money for the bombing of the building, I mean who Yousef was working with or for? EA: Mr. Sicat, you are the mediaman. Do you not know that Yousef was representing Iraq and Saddam Hussein? Do you not know that? DZS: Did Edwin tell you that? EA: Not only Edwin, but others that were close to us, before he was killed. One time, a soldier (Philippine Army) and Edwin were talking secretly. I was there because Edwin demanded. The soldier ordered Edwin never to tell anybody about the Iraqis. DZS: Did you ever see that soldier before or after that time? EA: Only two times before. He was the one who would talk to him for information. DZS: Mrs. Angeles, do you know who killed your husband, Edwin? EA: The ones who used him and then betrayed him, Mr. Sicat. (She grows visibly weaker). I want to rest now. DZS: I understand. I'll let you rest now. Thank you so much, Mrs. Angeles. You have told me so much. I will try to see you tomorrow if you are up to it. NOTE: I was not able to speak with ELMINA again. She became too weak and incoherent the following day. A few days later, the doctors had diagnosed that she was terminal. She needed to be transferred to Davao City to the Regional Hospital (government) for treatment. A few days later, while I was in Davao, arranging for her admission to the Regional Hospital, Chris told me that she could no longer be moved. She would die in transit. Since Muslims require burial within 24 hours of death, I understood the reasoning. The following day, Chris contacted me that ELMINA ABDUL, widow to EDWIN ANGELES (killed by unknown assailants in 1998), died in the pre-dawn hours Saturday March 30. She was the last one to talk with her husband before he was killed. I was the last and only reporter to talk with her about her husband before she died. (sgd) DORIAN ZUMEL SICAT News Correspondent Manila Times /Omega News Service (USA) Investigative Liaison to Law Office of John Michael Johnston Robert Bickel, Sr. Senior Investigator and Legal Analyst Law offices of John Michael Johnston Elmina Abdul Angeles Statement |
I agree with you. This is the main reason I disbelieve the govt story and instead think there were bombs inside Murrah. Also, the eye-opening videos of the OKC newscasters reporting in real-time that day that other bombs were removed from the wreckage, and then reporting that FBI agents confirmed to the news reporters that they were BIG bombs, that didn't detonate.
I've seen this stated numerous times, that buildings across the street were not damaged. Nothing could be farther from the truth!
A. Two large churchs on corners directly SE and SW of the Murrah Bldg, on 4th street were heavily damaged.
B. The Athenai building NW west of the Murrah bldg, and the building occupied by the water resources board next door to the Athenai had to be demolished since the damage was so extensive. If memory serves, the water resources building suffered fatalities.
C. The Journal Record building directly north of the Murrah bldg was extensively damaged, and many injuries.
D. Smaller structures blocks away had structural damage and had to be destroyed.
Note that the two churches were partially shielded from the blast by the Murrah building its self, and the buildings directly north and on the NW corner were at minimum (best guess) 200 feet from the entrance to the Murrah bldg where the truck was parked.
Also note, the truck was parked a sidewalk width away from the front wall of the Murrah building.
I dont know where the story of other buildings "right" across the street not being damaged came from. As a resident of OKC, I can assure all that "right" across the street isn't a very good picture of where those buildings stood, pre April 19th.
Finally, NO, I don't want to enter into a drawn out pi$$ing contest with anyone. If you doubt me do the research. There must be some old maps around. The Daily Oklahoman archives will have extensive coverage.
Regards
That's interesting, I didn't know that. So when faced with a steel reinforced bldg, ammonium nitrate would not be the explosive of choice.
The "Survivor Tree" was a stripped and virtually destroyed tree, that came back to life slowly later in the spring. Have you ever seen a tree pruned back to just the trunk and a few short branches? Some trees thrive on that and will spring back quickly. Such is the survivor tree.
Slightly off subject, but still on trees. A friend of mine had his house destroyed, utterly and completely, by the May 1999 tornado that caused havoc and 50 odd deaths in central Oklahoma. His two-inch trunk silver leaf maple, planted in his front lawn the fall of '98 survived!
Also, I'm curious. Wouldn't there be gas mains under the street where the truckbomb sat? I would think if the truck put out enough blast to destroy a substantial multi-story bldg, it would rupture the gas lines under the street and cause a big fire as well, no?
Even dynamite, laid on top of a concrete loading dock, would do little damage --- unless "tamped" with sand on top of the dynamite (according to my father who was working on demolition of the docks at an Air Force base in Georgia when I was in high school).
He was also a Patriot and did his duty as a soldier when the government murdered civilians. The government had 2 years to investigate the criminal activities that occurred at Waco, but the Democrats decided to play politics instead.
McVeigh was guilty of acting without authorization. Even in a combat zone, nobody is allowed to go around killing unless they have been authorized to do so. Although I fully agree with his reasons, the death penalty he received was justice well served.
Yes, I would convict him for war crimes!
On the day McVeigh was executed, I stood at attention and saluted him until his actual death was announced. What he did was very wrong, but the reason behind his action is something I strongly support.
Sorry, but McVeigh acted with honor, even if done without authorization. He was not a terrorist, since his target was the BATF and FBI. A terrorist will target innocent civilians.
I will not accept the trashing of his name by linking him with Iraq.
I didn't come to this conclusion casually. If you don't want to be absolutely shocked when the truth comes out (and it will some day), I would suggest that you read all you can, starting with stuff here about David Schippers.
Domestic and Foreign Terrorists in OKC Bombing Can Collaborate for Future Attacks
Didn't they use ANFO and a Ryder van in 1993 to attempt to blow up the WTC? I recall seeing pictures showing that it was parked next to a reinforced wall which reflected the explosion outward. It also removed at least two floors from the parking garage but left the support beams basically intact.
Regards
J.R.
I think I understand your point, that mcveigh acted against a tyrranical bigoted unjust liberal governments deed of mass murder in Waco.
Well I agree as far as that goes. But mcveigh committed a terrorist act of mass murder upon innocent civilian man, women, and children.
timothy mcveigh was a disgusting example of subhuman vermin who tore innocent children into pieces en masse, he should have died in as hideous a fashion as his "unauthorized" adventure in terrorist mass murder caused his innocent victims.
Nothing can be expected to be beneath the kind of vicious reptile that kills indiscriminately like mcveigh did, so making a case he was in cahoots with other subhuman vermin should not be hard.
turds of a feather, you see.
LOL
The ship explosion caused many other fires and explosions throughout the area - a lot of refineries, oil and chemical storage.
Regards
J.R.
Not really. The ship was some distance from what was destroyed (as someone pointed out earlier, blast effects are substantially reduced by distance). The truck was just a few feet away. Proportionally, it works out about the same.
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