Posted on 04/19/2002 8:35:39 AM PDT by Registered
| "Deathbed" Confession Transcript -- World Exclusive Posted April 19, 2002 The following interview with ELMINA ABDUL, widow of EDWIN ANGELES, one of the cofounders of the ABU SAYYAF GROUP (ASG), and deep cover agent for the Defense Intelligence Group (DIG) of the Department of National Defense (DND), of the Republic of the Philippines, was taken on March 10, 2002, in the presence of CHRISTOPHER M. PUNO, Information Officer of the Province of Basilan, at BASCOM Hospital, in the general ward. TRANSLATED TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW WITH ELMINA ABDUL, WIDOW TO EDWIN ANGELES TAKEN AT BASILAN COMMUNITY HOSPITAL GENERAL WARD ISABELA CITY, PROVINCE OF BASILAN REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES BY DORIAN ZUMEL SICAT NEWS CORRESPONDENT MANILA TIMES, OMEGA NEWS SERVICE (USA) (After introduction to ELMINA ABDUL by Provincial Information Officer Christopher Puno) NOTE: I interviewed ELMINA in Tagalog, she answered me in Chavacano and Cebuano, two of the local dialects spoken in Basilan. She did not speak in the indigenous dialect because she knew that I do not speak or understand that dialect. DZS: Good morning Ms. Angeles DZS: How are you feeling this morning? EA: Not very well. DZS: Do you feel like talking with me? EA: Yes, but not so long. I am tired. DZS: I will try to be as short as possible. Did Chris tell you what I am here to talk to you about? EA: Yes. And I am the one who asked him to look for you after I was told that you are interested in the truth about my husband. DZS: Good. Okay. You are not Edwin's first wife, is that true? EA: Yes. I am his third wife. For Muslim men, they can have even four wives, if each of the other ones approve. DZS: How, when and where did you meet Edwin? EA: We met when he was in the Provincial Jail here in Isabela, in 1995. I was then working for the government radio station, dxOS (Philippine Information Agency)/PIA. DZS: That was after his capture? EA: Yes. DZS: When did you marry him? EA: In 1997. DZS: I am going to ask you some very sensitive questions now. Is that all right with you? EA: Yes. I want to tell the truth of what I know of my late husband. DZS: Did you know that he was one of those who founded the ASG, along with the late Abdurajak Abubakar Janjalani, in 1991? EA: Yes. I know also why he was one of them. DZS: Can you tell me why? EA: Yes, I want to tell you why. I want now to tell the truth about my husband. I will die soon. I want you to know the truth. Will you write the truth, Mr. Sicat? DZS: Yes. I will. I promise. EA: You are not afraid? DZS: More than you know, Mrs. Angeles. EA: Good. Maybe you will stay alive and safe because of your fear. I will tell you that Edwin was ordered to do that. DZS: Can you explain please. EA: He was what they call a deep penetration agent or DPA. DZS: Can you explain please? EA: As I told you, he was given orders. DZS: By whom? EA: Some very powerful men in the DND. DZS: Did he tell you why? EA: No. Only that he was ordered to help to organize the ASG and to report all developments. DZS: Did he tell you who it was? EA: Not by names. But he told my only at the highest levels. DZS: Did he ever tell you about his activities in the ASG before he met you? EA: He told me everything. I do not believe that he would hide anything from me when we were talking alone. DZS: Please do not be offended, but how do you know that? EA: Not only because I was his wife, but because he knew that he would soon be killed. He wanted me to know everything so that if anything happened to him I could tell others. DZS: Do you want to stop now? EA: No. More water please. DZS: Can I ask you about some things that happened back in the mid-90s? 1993, 1994? EA: Yes. I will try to answer what you ask. DZS: Did he ever talk to you about meetings with Arabs or Americans? EA: Yes, once he had met with some Arabs and Americans in 1994, in Davao (City), or General Santos (City). DZS: Did he tell you who they were? EA: Does the name Ramsey Yousef mean something to you Mr. Sicat? DZS: Ahmad Hassim. Does that mean something to you? EA: He had met with them. And an American who he called Terry or the Farmer, and another American whom he did not name. DZS: Was the American he named as Terry, Terry Nichols? EA: He did not mention the surname. Only Terry. DZS: Did he tell you why and how many times they had met? EA: They met almost every day for one week. They met in an empty bodega (warehouse). They talked about bombings. They mentioned bombing government buildings in San Francisco, Saint Louis and in Oklahoma. The Americans wanted instructions how to make and to explode bombs. He (Edwin) told me that Janjalani was very interested in paying them much money to explode the buildings. The money was coming from Yousef and the other Arab. DZS: Did he tell you when the bombs would explode; when they exploded? EA: He told me that the Americans exploded one bomb in Oklahoma in 1995, after he was arrested and after we first met. DZS: Did he ever tell you who was supplying the money for the bombing of the building, I mean who Yousef was working with or for? EA: Mr. Sicat, you are the mediaman. Do you not know that Yousef was representing Iraq and Saddam Hussein? Do you not know that? DZS: Did Edwin tell you that? EA: Not only Edwin, but others that were close to us, before he was killed. One time, a soldier (Philippine Army) and Edwin were talking secretly. I was there because Edwin demanded. The soldier ordered Edwin never to tell anybody about the Iraqis. DZS: Did you ever see that soldier before or after that time? EA: Only two times before. He was the one who would talk to him for information. DZS: Mrs. Angeles, do you know who killed your husband, Edwin? EA: The ones who used him and then betrayed him, Mr. Sicat. (She grows visibly weaker). I want to rest now. DZS: I understand. I'll let you rest now. Thank you so much, Mrs. Angeles. You have told me so much. I will try to see you tomorrow if you are up to it. NOTE: I was not able to speak with ELMINA again. She became too weak and incoherent the following day. A few days later, the doctors had diagnosed that she was terminal. She needed to be transferred to Davao City to the Regional Hospital (government) for treatment. A few days later, while I was in Davao, arranging for her admission to the Regional Hospital, Chris told me that she could no longer be moved. She would die in transit. Since Muslims require burial within 24 hours of death, I understood the reasoning. The following day, Chris contacted me that ELMINA ABDUL, widow to EDWIN ANGELES (killed by unknown assailants in 1998), died in the pre-dawn hours Saturday March 30. She was the last one to talk with her husband before he was killed. I was the last and only reporter to talk with her about her husband before she died. (sgd) DORIAN ZUMEL SICAT News Correspondent Manila Times /Omega News Service (USA) Investigative Liaison to Law Office of John Michael Johnston Robert Bickel, Sr. Senior Investigator and Legal Analyst Law offices of John Michael Johnston Elmina Abdul Angeles Statement |
By ALL REPORTS, the "Murrah Crater" was less than SIX INCHES!!
There are also NUMEROUS VERIFIABLE REPORTS of UNEXPLAINED Inspectors in the Murrah Building Prior to the "Blast," --& Numerous reports of "Unexploded Ordinance" in the building AFTER the "Bombing!!"
The WHOLE "Murrah Incident" SMELLS!!
Believe What You Will---the OKC Bombing has NOT been properly explained or "attributed!!"
IMHO
Doc
The "Khobar Towers Crater" was over SIX FEET DEEP!!!
The "Murrah Building Crater" was about Six Inches Deep!!
The "Discrepancy" should BOTHER us----A LOT!!!
Doc
Remember that now famous photgraph of the fireman carrying the injured (now deceased) little boy from the building? Would you like to be remembered as being responsible for that child's death? Do you think the MURDER of that little boy is worth saluting? The struggle for America will be won by winning the hearts and minds of Americans ---- not aping the terror tactics of pyschotic, mass murdering Arab terror bombers.
Mrs Kus
The Info is here (on FR ) on some older Threads------LOOK IT UP!!
The General Conclusion is that an ANFO Bomb--BY ITSELF--DID NOT "Bring Down" the Murrah Building!
Since this subject has been discussed at length--SEVERAL TIMES,--& since the "FR Conclusion" includes SUBSTANTIAL, EXPERT opinion that the "Murrah Incident" was NOT "Home-Grown Extremists,"--I am Forced to wonder about your Motive in this discussion!
WHY is it Important to you that the "Murrah Bombing" was the result of a Local "Right-Wing Whacko!!??"
MOST of us on FR believe that the evidence implicates Islamic Extremists! WHY would you have us believe otherwise??
Doc
You're claiming that the government had to cover a crater that's was six inches deep in case some fell into it?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Then - for the Nth time - what kind of damage should one expect from two tons of ANFO detonated 6 feet from a medium-sized building? (Considering documented histories of ANFO blasts listed above, exactly what we saw in OKC.)
I am Forced to wonder about your Motive in this discussion!
Gasp! Sigh! You are FORCED to wonder!
My motive? Simple curiosity as to why a truckload of ANFO cannot do what it plainly did, coupled with similar no-question documented ANFO blasts. And why some people (you) are so he11-bent on proving a conspiracy where one is completely unnecessary.
WHY is it Important to you that the "Murrah Bombing" was the result of a Local "Right-Wing Whacko!!??"
'cuz that's what the facts indicate. Occam's Razor fits the standard explaination very nicely.
WHY is it Important to you that the "Murrah Bombing" was the result of a Vast self-contradicting "Gov't-and-International Conspiracy!!??"
C'mon, now: you're contending that a few Right-Wing Whackos, the USA Gov't, and foriegn terrorists - groups that vicerally and actively hate each other - all worked together in a complex secret conspiracy to perpetrate a massive bombing of a day-care center. Riiiiiiiiight.
MOST of us on FR believe that the evidence implicates Islamic Extremists! WHY would you have us believe otherwise??
Because MOST of us on FR do NOT believe that slobbering ranting. Sure, there's a few who keep recycling rumors until their pet theories find "facts", but most believe McVeigh & Co. just did what a number of citizens want to do, and could do cheaply and easily if so motivated.
The PHYSICS of the "Murrah Building 'Blast'" are NOT COMPATIBLE with current "Bomb Damage Theory" when the Current "Terry Nichols ANFO Bomb" physical parameters are applied to the "Blast" & the "Level of Destruction!"
There are SEVERAL EXPERT OPINIONS which CONFIRM that the "Murrah Building Destruction" COULD NOT HAVE BEEN the result of the "relatively Weak" ANFO Blast!!!
There are MULTIPLE Threads alluding to this anomaly!!
I Suggest you check with "OKC SUBMARINER" BEFORE you ASSUME that the OKC Bombing was a "Product of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy!!"
Doc
Again: how much ANFO is required to do that degree of building damage?
The fact that you're not answering, and instead frothing about tangents, makes me wonder what your agenda is...
Your last "post" to me uses an old "Debating Technique" favored by those who are IGNORANT of (or are incapable of Refuting) IRREFUTABLE FACTS which UTTERLY REFUTE your assertions!
THE HISTORICAL FACTS (Sadly) imply that you are a LIAR or a BADLY MISLED fool!!
Take Your Pick!
Doc
GO to the "OKC Submariner Threads, etc," I Referred you to------------The info that refutes your delusions is ABUNDANTLY AVAILABLE @ the 'Sites I've referred you to!!
"Come Back" when you have "Studied the Facts of the Issue!!"
Otherwise, your IGNORANCE is embarrassing to BOTH of US!!
Doc
Just one number and associated units. That's all I ask. If you can't do that, then there's no reason to spend time reading anything else you so passionately refer me to. If you'll do that, I'll believe that maybe there is something to the material and have a look.
It's just a simple and extremely relevant question which you should have no problem finding the answer to and posting: how much ANFO is required to do the kind of damage seen at OKC?
The Info you regard as "SO IMPORTANT" is posted on SEVERAL of the MANY Referrals I have given you (More than once)! I find your accusations (absent ANY indication that you studied 'OKC Submariner's' data) IGNORANT & Self-Serving!!
You have Descended to the "Not Worth an Answer" category!
READ the "OKC SUBMARINER" info----THEN " Challenge Me!!"
Doc
'Texas City just blew up'
The second explosion, 16 hours after the Grandcamp blew up, came from another ship loaded with fertilizer.
The High Flyer, its turbines down for repairs, had been loaded with 961 tons of ammonium nitrate Ñ slightly more than what exploded on the Grandcamp.
X pounds versus several tons. Exponential?
With the enactment of the Patriot Act I doubt anyone will answer that question.
"How did you come by that knowledge?" "Who are your friends?"
Look it up for yourself and figure it out.
Home Workshop Explosives
by Uncle Fester
Whew man...almost anything you want to know about is out there.
As discussed in the section on the World Trade Center (see Part Three, Section C, pp. 132-134, supra), Williams' method of determining weight is impressionistic and depends on his VOD estimate, which is itself speculative. As noted in that section, other members of the EU do not routinely estimate the quantity of the explosive from a damage assessment because the placement and confinement of the explosive have a significant effect on the amount of the damage. Nevertheless, we concluded in the Trade Center case that Williams' size estimate of 1,000-1,500 pounds, which he characterized as a ballpark figure, was not, as such, an unreasonable opinion because he offered such a broad range.
With respect to the weight of the explosive, Williams' Oklahoma City report differs from his trial testimony in the Trade Center case in two respects. First, the Oklahoma City report does not offer a broad range but limits the estimate to approximately 4000 pounds of ANFO.
Second, it appears that Williams' opinion was based in part on the recovery of receipts showing that defendant Nichols purchased 4,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate.
No practice runs...nothing?
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