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Texas Freepers - Information Please!
Me ^ | 4/18/02 | CyberCowboy77

Posted on 04/18/2002 10:10:10 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777

Texas Freepers! I am considering re-locating to Texas from Washington. I want a change in weather, people and politics.

I have lived all across the U.S. but never Texas. Can you give me some ideas as to where to live, Pro's and Cons of Texas?

I am really thinking Houston - I want to be near the Coast. (or at least 2 hours away).

I will want to own at least 5 acres. And my brother and Parents are thinking of moving there as well and will need land as well.

I have three boys and a Wife. I am a Computer Consultant by trade (my father is a programmer and we have our own company here).

I do not care about schools as I will be Home Schooling when my boys are older.

Any info will be greatly appreciated!


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To: maxwell; cybercowboy777
I'm on the North side of Houston.

The Conroe area is good for getting some land, but if you have to commute into the city, expect about an hour and half each way.

I used to work 12 miles from my job in the Galleria and it was an hour commute. Now my job in on the north side, and it's 15 minutes. :-)

Katie, which is on the west side of town, is also very nice, but again, if you have to commute into town, you are looking at quite the hike.

It's hot and humid in the summer, but I have AC. Today is beautiful, sunshiney, light breeze, and about 75 degrees.

61 posted on 04/18/2002 11:23:24 AM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: CyberCowboy777
I would agree that the Hill Country is a beautiful part of the state. In Austin and San Antonio, you wouldn't have to go to far to be in the country, and the scenery is hard to beat. The University of Texas is located near downtown. Austin is a liberal city but some of the surrounding areas are as conservative as the rest of the state. Round Rock, where Dell is located, is about 20 miles north of downtown and is in a very conservative county. Lots of growth in that area also. Yes, Austin is a big tech town, but jobs there have been hard to come by recently. San Antonio is a growing city as well. The River Walk and Alamo are great attractions in downtown. Fiesta Texas and Sea World aren't far. Not sure about residential areas in SA.

Houston gets a bad rap. It is an exciting city with lots to offer. It has the largest medical center in the country and is one of the top performing arts cities as well. Downtown is going through a major revitalization with the ballpark, a new basketball arena, light rail, and lots of residential development. To get into the country here, it will take a bit longer. Yes there is some pollution, but it isn't like you never see the sun, as some would lead you to believe. Galveston is about 40 minutes away. Some nicer beaches are a little farther.

Dallas/Ft. Worth is a huge metrolpolitan area. Like Houston, you'd have to go a ways to get into the country. Lots of great areas, but downtown Dallas is showing signs of decline, as far as business space occupation and residential population. Dallas probably is about 5 hours from the coast. Ft. Worth a little farther.

As far as smaller cities go, College Station is the home of Texas A&M, probably the most conservative public university in America. Also there is the Bush Presidential Library, which brings in great events. A couple weeks ago, Tony Blair spoke there one day and Condoleezza Rice was there the next. The city is located about 1.5 hours north of Houston, 2.5 hours south of Dallas. And 1.5 hours east of Austin. The population is about 60,000 and the twin city of Bryan is about 60,000 also. Students add around 45,000 to that. Lots of land close to the city.

Conroe and The Woodlands are very nice cities, just north of Houston. Lake Conroe is a great recreational lake, and there are some great golf courses in the area. The Woodlands has been the home of the Houston Open for many years. There is also a great outdoor concert pavillion there that attracts top notch acts.

Corpus Christie has nice beaches, but is a little farther from lots of the state's attractions. Other than the shore, it is not a very pretty city, in my opinion. It's been a while since I've been there, though.

Longview and Tyler are mid-size cities, not too far from Dallas. I don't know too much about them. The area is very wooded, as is much of east Texas.

New Braunfels and San Marcus are nice smaller cities between Austin and San Antonio along I-35.

Hope this helps. I think you'll like it down here.
62 posted on 04/18/2002 11:26:56 AM PDT by texanrob
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To: CyberCowboy777
Heat don't bother me. I grew up in Northern California and we regularly had temp. at 95+!

I grew up in Northern California, too, and it's not the same kind of heat. West Texas heat is similar, but there's nothing quite like 95 degree heat with 95% humidity that you find along the Gulf coast.

63 posted on 04/18/2002 11:26:58 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: BillaryBeGone
Yep I live in Corpus too and our property taxes are too high , but also our insurance premiums for auto, home, and health coverage are out of control thanks to the trail lawyers that run the courthouse here in conjunction with the DemoRats that have runned this county for the last 120 + years. We Republicans here are working on it and we are slowly chipping away at the Rats and the local population is finally getting the word that rampent trial lawyer and their sympathetic juries are costing us jobs and economic growth.
64 posted on 04/18/2002 11:29:35 AM PDT by The South Texan
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To: texanrob
You forgot Laredo, dude... ;)
65 posted on 04/18/2002 11:29:59 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: al_c
I spent 9 years in Austin (and Round Rock) but I wouldn't live in Austin anymore if I had to. Traffic has become a nightmare and the liberals are taking over.

The liberals have been in control of the city of Austin for a long time. Too many inexperienced students and uneducated poor. The suburbs are mostly not liberal, with some exceptions. Traffic around the city does suck, but probably no worse than Houston or Dallas. Best case is to live and work outside Austin and drive in occasionally for restaurants and entertainment.

66 posted on 04/18/2002 11:30:05 AM PDT by Gorest Gump
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To: RikaStrom
Today is beautiful, sunshiney, light breeze, and about 75 degrees.

SSHHHHHHHH!!!!!! The Yankees are supposed to think it's 110 year round. We've spent generations cultivating that rumor and you let the cat out of the bag. Now there's NO stopping them.

;)

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67 posted on 04/18/2002 11:30:06 AM PDT by AgentEcho
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To: Wright is right!
Well Wright is right is right! Think about renting around Houston first. Then take a couple of months and just tour! Texas is geograpically and climatalogically diverse from the Piney woods of east Texas, the Gulf Coast, the Hill country, the Panhandle, and West Texas. The one constant is: true Texans are all FRIENDLY!
68 posted on 04/18/2002 11:35:32 AM PDT by texson66
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To: CyberCowboy777
There is lots of beautiful land - and land that looks beautiful in Spring but is desolate in August. Some pretty land is near Valley Mills - which isn't far from Crawford in central Texas.


last week

69 posted on 04/18/2002 11:40:15 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: al_c
Beautiful country. I spent 9 years in Austin (and Round Rock) but I wouldn't live in Austin anymore if I had to. Traffic has become a nightmare and the liberals are taking over.

I lived in Copperas Cove for 4 years just before I retired from the Army out of Ft Hood. My oldest son graduated High School from there, we always had a hard time beating Round Rock in baseball. It was just the right distance from Austin. A beautiful drive this time of year if you take the backroads. If no one has seen Texas bluebonnets this time of year they are doing themselves a disservice by not seeing them.

70 posted on 04/18/2002 11:42:01 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: AgentEcho
SSHHHHHHHH!!!!!! The Yankees are supposed to think it's 110 year round.

Oooooops!

It's really a 100 degrees today, the sun is beating down and the car windows are exploding because someone forgot to leave a crack in them. (earnestly correcting myself) ;-)

71 posted on 04/18/2002 11:42:34 AM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: CyberCowboy777
Well, I lived in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area throughout the '80s and loved it. I started in Richardson, then went to Euless when I got married and we ended up in Hurst. Hurst-Euless-Bedford is the northern part of what they call the mid-cities area of DFW.

Dallas is big-city urban, with all that implies. Cleaner than DC but just as crowded and the public transportation is terrible.

There is, I am told, still work there for software jocks like you and I, if you work desktop, web or mainframe. But I work embedded and, with the fall of the telecoms, work is tight.

Ft. Worth is more laid-back and country, "where the west begins" is how they advertise it. Less crowded, less urban, less "shiny", but more real. I'll take the Ft. Worth zoo over the Dallas zoo any day of the week (the late Jimmy Stewart was a long time supporter and fund raiser). Ft. Worth also has the water gardens downtown, some pretty nice parks, the arboretum...

But downtown is a mess because of all the road rebuilding thats going on. Plus, they had a terrible tornado a couple years ago and they're still recovering from that.

Work cratered there about '91 (which was why I left). Lockheed Martin is putting a bunch of people to work out at the bomber plant in the west side. They keep advertising for software people, particularly people with embedded background, but I haven't managed to land an interview.

And, of course, in between you have the Rangers, the Cowboys, Six Flags, and some other pretty good tourist attractions.

The last 3 years, I've been living in El Paso and working in Juarez. It's been mentioned on this thread that Austin is liberal...El Paso is the last great bastion of liberal democrats in the state of Texas, and probably in the whole sourthwest. And it shows...

Property is expensive (unless you find a place in a "colonia", with no roads, no water, no electricity, no sewer, not much of anything, in fact). Property taxes are sky high. El Paso county is one of only 4 counties in the state where you have to do emissions inspections on your vehicles (even though everybody knows that any smoke comes from Mexico and all the ozone comes from the cars sitting for 3 hours trying to cross the border into the US). They do have a couple decent schools but at least half the students are either Mexican kids whose parents bring them across the border each day or they're from New Mexico. Both are illegal and all the politicians talk about how bad it is and how much it costs the school district. But nobody does anything about it.

Don't even get me started on all the free medical care that the hospitals provide for non-residents.

As for jobs, El Paso has more people begging on street corners than any place else I've ever seen. And that includes DC, LA and Mexico City. The average household income is in the neighbothood of $17000/yr. (The average new home cost is in the neighborhood of $120,000. I asked a realtor about that. He said there was a lot of "hidden income" in the area. You figure it out.) The lack of personal state income taxes doesn't quite make up the difference.

If you are well paid, you probably either work for the government (FBI, Border Patrol, INS, Customs, Coast Guard (!!! Yes, I know a couple), Army, Justice Dept., etc.) or you work in one of the maquillas (maquilladora, literally "twin plant") in Mexico.

But they've been hit by the recession, too. I got laidoff in January, along with bunches of others. The odds of finding something else in the area are vanishingly small.

My wife hates El Paso and only went there because of my job. There are some neat things there: I can load up the truck, head for the desert and in 20 minutes my son and I can be target shooting; I've seen coyotes wandering along the road within half a mile of the house.

There is some awful pretty places in Texas. The piney woods in east Texas remind me of the north woods of Michigan (but not so cold or so much snow). The hill country is gorgous. The panhandle is windswept and dusty, the small towns are stereotypically cow towns. The llano estacado stretches west from Ft. Worth for ever (hey, it's 600 miles from Dallas to El Paso). And there is no place else in the world like west Texas.

But the truth is, I'm looking to move back to the midwest. I'm sitting in Michigan right now, where I took a short-term contract until I can find something "permanent". For a software engineer like myself, who specializes in embedded and real-time systems, you can't earn a living in the small towns and the big ones are just too much hassle.

72 posted on 04/18/2002 11:46:41 AM PDT by Elric@Melnibone
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To: CyberCowboy777
Austin area if you're a computer consultant. Austin is a high tech town with Dell, IBM, Texas Instruments, Intel, Motorolla, Advanced Micro Devices, and some others I can't think of right now.

You're 3hrs from Corpus and the beach.

We really only have 3.5 bad months of weather every year. June to the middle of September. October through May are wonderful. Summers brutal. Some summers we'll have 20 or more straight days of above 100 degree weather.

73 posted on 04/18/2002 11:47:38 AM PDT by VinnyTex
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To: McLynnan
McLynnan? As in McLennan County - home of Waco and Crawford?
I lived in rural western Washington most of my adut life and moved here to Waco a little over two years ago. I drove through the Hill Country near Georgetown (north of Austin) last week and it was beautiful and lush.

74 posted on 04/18/2002 11:49:49 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ladtx
Texas Bluebonnets


75 posted on 04/18/2002 11:50:44 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: ladtx
Bluebonnets in Crawford on Prairie Chapel Road last week on a foggy morning

76 posted on 04/18/2002 11:52:30 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
TEXAS! YA GOTTA LOVE IT!
77 posted on 04/18/2002 11:54:23 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: CyberCowboy777
I have a house in Dallas and a beach house at Surfside beach which is 1 hour southwest of Houston. It is 5 hours from my house in Dallas to the beach. I drive it all the time and it is a pleasant drive. I own 45 acres in Freestone county which is about midway from Dallas to Houston. I may build on that property ultimately. I also own a pair of lots in Teaswood (a gated community in Conroe close to lake conroe) I may build there. Point Is, I love all these places and can't decide where to land!!!

Anywhere north of Conroe you should be able to find acreage for $800 to 3000 per acre. Manufactured homes sell for $70K delivered for 2000 square feet and aren't a lot different from site built houses. In Fact you should be able to find home sites with homes. The drive would be 2+ hours into Houston and another hour to Galveston or Surfside.

Don't believe these Floridians, Texas Beaches are beautiful year round but they are not without their negatives on occasion. Someone like me sees a beautiful beach for months and as soon as a holiday shows up and lot of people are here it will show its ugly side. cb

78 posted on 04/18/2002 11:58:23 AM PDT by cb
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To: ValerieUSA
Yes, as in McLennan County. Are we neighbors? I'm in the western Waco suburbs. Did you live in Washington State or Sodom on the Potomac? We spent many years in the D.C. suburbs and now that we've been repatriated to Texas I've dug my heels in and will never leave again. This is our second time around in McLennan County.
79 posted on 04/18/2002 11:59:09 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: ladtx
I lived in Copperas Cove for 4 years just before I retired from the Army out of Ft Hood. My oldest son graduated High School from there, we always had a hard time beating Round Rock in baseball. It was just the right distance from Austin. A beautiful drive this time of year if you take the backroads. If no one has seen Texas bluebonnets this time of year they are doing themselves a disservice by not seeing them.

Used to be a huge field of bluebonnets near the Dell campus in RR. Then corporate progress took over and the field is now covered with buildings and parking lots. :o(

80 posted on 04/18/2002 11:59:51 AM PDT by al_c
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