Posted on 04/14/2002 1:37:21 PM PDT by Jack Black
In Genesis 13:14 we read:
And the Lord said unto Abram, after than Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes and look from the place where thou art northward, and soutward, and eastward and westward: For all the land which thou seest, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. Arise walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it for I will give it unto thee. Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mam're, which is in Hebron, and built there an alter onto the Lord.
A few questions on this. Is there a standard interpretation of what the modern boundaries of this land grant are?
Would the children of Abram include the Arab nations as well as the Jews? Do both the Jews and Arabs agree on this? (guess that's a rhetorical question)
Later in Numbers 33 we read:
And the Lord spake unto Moses in the palins of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel and say unto them, When ye are passed over the Jordan into the land of Cannan;THey ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down their high places; And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therin, for I have given you the land to possess it. ... But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; hten it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides and shall vex you in the land where you dwell.
More over it shall come to pass , that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.
Finally the exact boudaries are given in Numbers 34:
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Give these instructions to the Israelites: When you come into the land of Canaan, which I am giving you as your special possession, these will be the boundaries.
The southern portion of your country will extend from the wilderness of Zin, along the edge of Edom. The southern boundary will begin on the east at the Dead Sea. It will then run south past Scorpion Pass in the direction of Zin. Its southernmost point will be Kadesh-barnea, from which it will go to Hazar-addar, and on to Azmon. From Azmon the boundary will turn toward the brook of Egypt and end at the Mediterranean Sea.
"Your western boundary will be the coastline of the Mediterranean Sea.
"Your northern boundary will begin at the Mediterranean Sea and run eastward to Mount Hor, then to Lebo-hamath, and on through Zedad and Ziphron to Hazar-enan. This will be your northern boundary.
"The eastern boundary will start at Hazar-enan and run south to Shepham, then down to Riblah on the east side of Ain. From there the boundary will run down along the eastern edge of the Sea of Galilee, and then along the Jordan River to the Dead Sea. These are the boundaries of your land." Then Moses told the Israelites, "This is the territory you are to divide among yourselves by sacred lot. The LORD commands that the land be divided up among the nine and a half remaining tribes. The families of the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and half the tribe of Manasseh have already received their inheritance of land on the east side of the Jordan River, across from Jericho."
How true!
And this is exactly what is happening today with the persecution of Jews, Christians and Cathlics.
This is the snare that is being set. It is not true.
Due to the Israelites not completing with suitable vigor the genocide against the Caananites that is desribed in the book of Joshua, God revoked the covenant. The Israeli's land grant from God is not valid, since it has been revoked for about 100 generations.
Who was it who said that if there was a God, he was the Devil? Who else goes around ordering genocides?
Then we have this fixation on race and ancestry through "father Abraham" who allegedly struck a deal or a bargain of some kind with this genocidal spook calling himself "G_d". Thus saith the Lord: obey me, murder whoever I don't like, and lots of swag for you!
Racism and genocide are evil - but only when directed against "the chosen people". However, when "the chosen people" do it, it's okay, 'cause "God said so".
What a shame we Westerners were duped into adopting a religion from the world's largest open air insane asylum: the Levant.
Read Judges. The Israelites broke the promise by not killing all the Canaanites, and God voided the contract.
These would be
Both Islam and Christianity grow out of the same evil root.
The Jew was never "the apple of Gods eye". The Israelites maybe were. But while all Jews are Israelites, only a small minority of Israelites were ever Jews.
That covenenant was not made with Jews. It was made with the Israelites. If you don't know the difference please click on my Profile.
Genesis: God, Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Shem, Ham, Japheth, Lot, Abraham, Sara, Melchizedek, Eliezer, Hagar, Ishmael, Isaac, Abimelech, Rebekah, Laban, Keturah, Esau, Jacob/Israel, Leah, Rachel, Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dinah, Potiphar, Tamar, Perez, Zerah, Manasseh, Ephraim.
Exodus: Moses, Zipporah, Gershom, Jethro, Aaron, Eleazar, Joshua, Hur, Nadab, Abihu, Ithamar, Bezalel, Uri, Nun, Oholiab, Ahisamach.
Leviticus: Mishael, Elzaphan, Uzziel, Molech, Shelomith, Dibri.
Others: David, Solomon and Sampson were not Jews, among many others...
Wishful thinking, like wishing you had won the lottery. A detachment from reality.
No Israelites were called "Jews" until well after the collapse of the original Davidic Kingdom of Israel and formation of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms in about 922 BC. Many scholars place the earliest date of actual word usage ~500 BC, following the return of the Southern Kingdom from Bablyon. Those ~50,000 Jews were Israelites, but only a tiny number of the Millions of Israelites were called Jews. While the numbers are relatively small, the distinction is a major one.
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