Van Dam Trial Transcripts, Complete: Testimony continues to vary from previous statements.

San Diego Superior Court/Union Trib ^ | April 9, 2002 | San Diego Superior Court-Kristen Green

[mommya]

Well - I'm not Kim - and I don't want to get flamed - but will play (i.e. Van Dam good qualities.)

Brenda seems to have a couple of redeeming qualities - she was involved with Danielle's scout troop and was "cookie mom" and she volunteered at the kids' school - so at least she was interested enough to give her "time" to help kids. Damon - I don't know about - but if the planned trip to big bear with Derrick is legit, then at least he had an interest in spending some father/son bonding/fun time with his son. Oh - I think I remember reading that the Van Dam's attended every T-ball game of Dylan.

Anyway - without trying to find hidden meaning in these things - they are things a good parent might do.

Like I said - no flames please - I'm not really on a "side" - but

[Valpal1]

Actually I think swinging is a sad and tragic choice, like all other types of fornication and adultery.

But reports of what occurred that night are greatly exxagerated by some.

There has been plenty of rumor spread about the garage activities, but if you look at photos of the interior, it is a cold dank storage area with room to park a car. Hardly the site of the numerous alledged sexploits and possible videotaping.

That they reversed to lock to hide their dope smoking from their kids strikes me as typical dimbulb dopethink. Like their kids don't have noses to smell, eyes to see, and ability to notice behavioral changes.

Just because you and I have higher standards of behavior doesn't make us the arbiter of community standards of reasonable and prudent. I once had a social worker tell me they couldn't remove the toddler of a druggie living in a car, because the car met the requirements for shelter!

I'll tell you my biased perception of the VD marriage. Barracuda Barbara Easton wants Damon, who not very morally centered and a little bored with marriage is sucked into the swing mantra, and has been trying to convice Brenda that it can work to spark up their relationship, (yeah, that's a crock, sin is always a crock). Brenda, feeling desperate to hang on to Damon, tries to overcome her natural resistance to the nasty idea with drugs and alcohol. In the meantime Barbara Barracuda is very careful to court Brenda, and to profess friendship with her, while her eye is really on the income producing Damon. Brenda can't really go along with it, and drags Damon and Barb back downstairs, where they polish off the leftovers and some GS cookies and the failed swing event breaks up for the night.

I truly believe the parents are crushed by Danielle's murder, and I rather expect the marriage to fail and end in divorce as well. Damon ends up with Barracuda Easton about 18 mo. from now and has joint custody of the boys. Brenda spirals further into drugs and alcohol, dies early about 55, still mourning her baby girl. Note: Damon dumps the Barracuda in 3-5 years and remarries a 30ish single mom with 2-3 kids a few years younger than the boys.

I should write soaps!

[Valpal1]

2nd soap version.

Brenda and Damon find Jesus and discover He was never lost, they were. Brenda is pregnant with an atonement child by Christmas. Damon transfers and they move to a new community and are somewhat reclusive and very protective of their children. Neighbors think obsessively so, but have no inkling why.

[mommya]

Well - my computer just locked up there for a moment - right after I said good things about the Van Dam's - (twilight zone music inserted here) - anyway I was going to finish my thought by adding that Westerfield's good deeds - the patents - probably came as part of his job - you know the way he earns a living - or in other words - to make money - not just out of the kindness of his heart.

[Valpal1]

or will you simply press the ABUSE button.....

Why do you DW apologists always sling this mud. I notice you, Jaded and Spectre are continually bringing it up.

I know threads have gotten deleted, but I always figured the abuse button was probably pushed by offended lurkers rather than posters.

[Jaded]

Those are valid points. However, even though Westerfield has been charged, with the little evidence that has been shown so far, I would have to acquit. So far there has been no indication the David was IN THE HOUSE or in Danielle's room, or that she was in his SUV. How did she get to Dehesa, if not at some point being in the SUV? SDPD is so sure its him, but don't have a motive and have yet to figure out how he single-handedly carried out this act after consuming rum & coke and who knows what else. The pedophile line is very thin. And why do the drag marks end at the edge of the driveway?

Too much here doesn't add up and the parent's gift of prevarication and omission clouds the issues even more. One of the original reports stated that the party broke up around 4, now we're to believe it ended at 2:15? What makes that so suspicious is that the reports not only came from the police but from BvD and DvD's own mouths.

There was something in the PH about others who heard the open invitation to the house. So because of the parents alleged propensities who knows what manner of people might have been inclined to see what was up.

Most people would like to see the PERPETRATOR found guilty. Make d*mn sure you've got the right guy before we start hooking up old sparky.

[Jaded]

Um, sorry, I don't talk about the "A" button.

[Valpal1]

why do the drag marks end at the edge of the driveway?

because they were made by boys dragging leakiy trash bags to the trash can placed there? I seriously doubt the drag marks are germane to the case. If the drag marks were from Danielle's body, would not the search dogs alerted on them, not to mention "the better trained FBI dog" (possibly a cadaver dog?). Just like the possible blood stains on the stairwell that the lead detective didn't know about. Maybe they tested negative, not blood, or not human blood, so no one bothered to tell him about this non-evidence. Stuff like that can be twisted at the PH for temporary effect, but it won't work at trial.

Granted, lots of stuff needs to come out, and the trial is the proper venue for that.

[mommya]

I do wonder if Barb is the instigator? Damon's activity that night involving her have me puzzled. When the girls first arrived at the house that night - It seems Damon barely spoke to them - a couple of hits off the joint in the garage, then back to video games. He went to bed that night and even fell asleep a bit - but according to him - he expected Brenda to return from Dad's that night with at least the people she went there with. So was his plan to just stay in bed and ignore the "after party" no matter what it entailed? Or - if he was going to participate in the "after party" - if it was innocent, eating pizza, maybe even a little more drugs - why didn't he just stay up and wait for them to get back (fully clothed)? I'm thinking he got into bed in his underwear and waited there for the girls to get back - so he'd be ready for what he hoped would happen - still - why so little interaction between Damon and the girls earlier in the evening? Any ideas?

[Lauratealeaf]

Just because you and I have higher standards of behavior doesn't make us the arbiter of community standards of reasonable and prudent.

It doesn't? Well, that is what is wrong with this country and in my opinion one of the reasons why a little girl named Danielle is not sitting in her kitchen writing in her journal this very day. Certain parents didn't seem to think (or care) that anyone noticed that they had a swinging, dope smoking lifestyle. Perhaps if someone told them that what they were doing was wrong and harmful to their children they might have stopped. We shouldn't depend on preachers, priests or politicians to model how we all should live. We need to set the example for our children, families, friends and even Van Dam apologists.

[mommya]

I keep thinking about that new neighbor - the one the Van Dam's and Danielle met sometime that Fri. - but has been left out of the timeline completely. I keep thinking that the first place the dogs should have realistically tracked Danielle to was thier house - she was there sometime Fri. evening. Why do we not hear this? Do dogs even track that way - picking up the most recent track first?

[Valpal1]

Tell you the truth, I think he was very involved in the Xbox game with the boys, and just came out for a couple of quick hits, while they took their turns.

I thought is was funny in the PH that Feldman and the judge had a hardtime understanding that the Xbox wasn't the game, but what the game was played on.

[Freedom2specul8]

I was going to say that I don't think Jaded ever resorted to the abuse button conspiracy factor...

[Valpal1]

We need to set the example for our children, families, friends and even Van Dam apologists.

You can set the example all you want, but the community doesn't have to follow. And forcing them to follow is called tyranny.

I don't like their lifestyle, I think Danielle would be alive today if her parent's were monogamous home body types.

But neither do I want rigid governmental control of social behavior. I don't think we'd end up with a kinder, gentler country, but more of the shallow PC groupthink that already mars our culture.

[Valpal1]

I don't think Jaded ever resorted to the abuse button conspiracy factor...

So noted in my coffee soaked brain.

[FresnoDA]

Make d*mn sure you've got the right guy before we start hooking up old sparky.

You possibly meant, Make van DAM sure.....

[Freedom2specul8]

Wrong kimbo...the point of the SWINGING research is to prove the debauchery of Brenda and The Demon.....and their wretched acquaintances....I also believe (and research confirms) that sexual addicts (which is what these people are) continually need to RAISE THE BAR of arousal. (Look at the LuvSeat!!)


Frankly Flaming Fres, You are infatuated with LE conspiracies AND NOW SEX ADDICTIONS. There is NOTHING wrong with it per se, but to attack Val and myself because we want to focus on the legal aspect of the case, doesn't mean we are defending their cause! (whatever the cause you are assuming we are defending) Look at your post to me, you've made it into flaming news article. LOL Your problem is that you are so blinded by your hatred of the lifestyle that you have become completely prejudiced against ANYONE who doesn't repeat your mantra.

BUT..if you are so inclined to continue to do so that is your choice. If I were you, in your outrage, I would contact Pierce (you can do it, you're all in the same state) and start a massive drive to get people to sue the van dam's for negligence in the civil court, prove your case and get the other kids removed from their home, instead of sitting on here, yelling at Me and Val. In fact, if you all win, you can make good ol damon pay for it. Yep, that's what I would do if my passion was a strong as yours.

[Freedom2specul8]

That's what I was trying to bring up earlier.. Society already tolerates the lifestyle that is being attributed to the vd's. The reason it's not illegal is because you can't enforce it unless you put cameras in households and bedrooms. Do you think you can find a congress critter to actually sponsor a bill like that? It's too late to complain about it now. If ya'll want to make it illegal.. ie: swinging(which is still debateable since the judge wouldn't allow it in PH), bars, dancing in public, bring home friends etc., I would have to question whether that would be a wise thing. Think "slippery slope".

[FresnoDA]

You are infatuated with LE conspiracies AND NOW SEX ADDICTIONS. There is NOTHING wrong with it per se

Kimbo...or should I say, Counselor (sarcasm/on!)  Where have I touted a LE conspiracy?  You will not find such a post.  The Union Trib ran articles about detectives questioning DW numerous times, after he requested counsel.  That is a fact babe....they also attempted to visit him in jail, after Feldman was counsel of record....

As for my infatuation IE: Love for SEX ADDICTION....come on kimbo...you are grasping at straws....

If a person follows the VD's, you can not know the case without knowing about their salacious sexual proclivities.  If you want to sweep those under the rug with Val's Libertarian Broom, go for it...but the stain of their guilt will still remain on the floor, just like the drag marks Val is "APOLOGIZING" away that end at the edge of the driveway, where Danielle was most likely loaded into the trunk of one of the VD's deviant SWINGER friends the morning of February 2, 2002.

And as for the reversed door handles....I agree with Val...the kids have noses.

Maybe there were more sinister events occurring, of a ritualistic type that caused the VD's to LOCK OUT entrants into their garage....

Ask yourself this questions fellow freepers, (and kimbo and val).....how many people do you know who have locks from the inside of their garage to keep folks from entering????   HHHmmmmmmm?????

[Freedom2specul8]

BTW, how does your swinging research prove they were doing it? If you get witness statements, and participants that's one thing. But..quoting from swinging websites, does not prove your case.