The Real History of the Crusades

Crisis Magazine ^ | 4/1/2002 | Thomas Madden

[traditionalist]

Great article, with one exception: he does not give King Sobieski the credit he deserves in the relief of Vienna.

[scooby321]

Bump

[gusopol3]

had you seen the front cover of U.S. News this past week (April 8 cover date)? I posted the article on the Religion forum earlier today. It only bears reading to chart the distortions and lies that form the basis of what is being put out for public consumption. Thanks for posting this.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Great article. Thanks for posting.

[Kay]

Good post. We ought to write this prof and thank him.

[marktwain]

Excellent article. Most people do not realize that the Muslims conquered a Christian middle east and north Africa.

[CatoRenasci]

Actually, he doesn't mention the 1683 siege of Vienna, which was the one the Poles raised.

[Mike Fieschko]

Great article, with one exception: he does not give King Sobieski the credit he deserves in the relief of Vienna.

Much as I enjoy pointing out the Polish deliverance of Europe from the Turk (and the Reds in 1920), the article doesn't go much beyond Lepanto in 1571.

Jan III Sobeiski broke the Siege of Vienna, on Sep 12, 1683.

[The Great Satan]

Pope Urban II called upon the knights of Christendom to push back the conquests of Islam at the Council of Clermont in 1095.

Just as George "Dubya" Bush was to entreat Tony Blair at the Council of Crawford, TX, in 2002.

Cool article.

[Aggie Mama]

bttt for later

[Reagan Man]

Excellent article!

Thanks for posting it.

[WaterDragon]

In the West, while we fight the Islamists, the other war is against socialism which is determined to destroy the centuries of learning and lessons. Every country that has fallen to socialism, just like the countries that fell to Islam, are impoverished and repressed, or on their way to being so increasingly.

America is most successful inheritor of the classical Greeks and Romans, of all of Western civilizations history. This is also the war we must fight while we destroy the murdering Muslim terrorists.

[Rebelbase]

I always found the "Children's Crusade" to the be the sadest. Thousands of kids from Central and Eastern Europe made it to somehwhere in Turkey and were captured and sold into slavery.

[WFTR]

Another thanks!

[Sans-Culotte]

Thanks. Just saved it as a Word document.

[Billy_bob_bob]

Even sadder is the fact that there was TWO "children's crusades". Both ended in disaster, with most of the children ending up betrayed by those they paid for passage to the "Holy Lands", being instead sold into slavery to the Turks.

Islam is currently in the middle of its second big push into Europe. Eventually the West will either wake up and begin fighting back, or it will end up overwhelmed by Islam.

[The_Expatriate]

As a medieval studies graduate myself, I am always pleased to see attention given to a much misunderstood age. Unfortunately, this article is clearly written with an agenda in mind and the author has done some very selective omitting here of any number of important background factors as well as painted an exaggerated view of the piety and religious motivations of the Crusaders.

The ancient faith of Christianity, with its respect for women and antipathy toward slavery,

I suppose it's considered good form to end an article with a punchline, but he could at least had the sense to stick to facts...both the Bible and history prove this assertion false.

[Enlightiator]

Excellent historical lesson here, thanks for the post. Bookmarked and bumped!

[KC_Conspirator]

Excellent article. Muslims also conquered Spain, scaring the heck out of France as well.