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Part 2: Homosexual Culture Undercuts Priesthood
NewsMax ^ | 4-5-2002 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 04/05/2002 12:32:54 PM PST by Notwithstanding

Homosexual Culture Undercuts Priesthood

Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com
Friday, April 5, 2002
Editor's note: See part one of this series, Anti-Catholic 'Experts' Fuel Church's Scandals.

Father Andrew Greeley called it the "Lavender Mafia," a homosexual underground within the Catholic Church in America that has managed to dominate many of the seminaries and must bear the largest share of the blame for the sex scandals afflicting the church.

Like the gay underground in the British Foreign Office of the past where for scores of years the road to advancement was open only to homosexuals, the Lavender Mafia has been the gatekeeper determining who will be admitted to seminaries and ultimately to the Roman Catholic priesthood.

In Goodbye! Good Men: How Catholic Seminaries Turned Away Two Generations of Vocations From the Priesthood," author Michael S. Rose quotes a former Mundelein seminarian, Joseph Kellenyi, as saying: "The issue was never one of my suitability for ordination. Rather it was that the gay clique had been given veto power over who got ordained."

'Gay Profession'

In his book, "The Changing Face of the Priesthood," the rector of St. Mary's Seminary in Cleveland, Father Donald B. Cozzens, warned that the priesthood was becoming a "gay profession."

And in the seminaries it wasn't merely a preponderance of gay students, but also "a disproportionate number of homosexually-oriented persons," including faculty, he wrote.

That kind of atmosphere, Rose notes, "deters the heterosexual man from continuing to study and prepare for the priesthood."

Rose wonders how can "any healthy heterosexual seminarian expect to be properly formed and prepared for the priesthood when constantly subjected to that which is so clearly contrary to Church teaching and discipline?"

'Threatening Atmosphere'

He asks: "How many heterosexual seminarians, whether orthodox or not, have decided to leave the seminary and abandon their vocations because of the 'gay subculture' they were forced to endure, because they had been propositioned, harassed or even molested? We're not talking here about the presence of a few homosexually-oriented men who conduct themselves with perfect chastity. Rather there exists an intense and often threatening atmosphere."

Indeed, so horrific is the situation that "certain seminaries have earned nicknames such as Notre Flame (for Notre Dame Seminary in New Orleans) and Theological Closet (for Theological College at Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.); St. Mary's Seminary in Baltimore has earned the nickname 'The Pink Palace.'"

Visiting the Gay Bars

At some of the seminaries, faculty and students would don their gay apparel and head for gay bars. In March 2000 the liberal Greeley, often called the church's resident pornographer for his racy novels, testified that seminary professors "Tell their students that they're gay and take some of them to gay bars, and gay students sleep with each other."

Greeley is not alone in exposing the homosexual behavior rampant in many of the nation's seminaries:



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; homosexual; scandal
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To: anniegetyourgun
There is certainly not a "don't ask, don't tell" policy among Catholic laity. What you do have is straight peoples' tremendous naivete toward gay people. I don't know how many middle-aged or older women invariably think of obviously gay men as "nice" or "sensitive." Was there a conspiracy among Las Vegas audiences who refused to believe that Liberace was gay?? Most people simply don't recognize homosexuality when it stares them right in the face. Until they wise up and develop "gaydar", this will continue.
41 posted on 04/06/2002 6:10:49 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: FITZ
You wrote that all this shows the danger of: "allowing homosexuals to be around teenage boys. Then that puts a damper on the whole idea of gay adoption ... " I do agree. I wrote a similar message once on a religious studies list, where someone was "celebrating" a gay adoption blessed in a liberal Catholic church. I wrote back saying do you realise that your Church will be sued in the future, by children abused in these relationships? The response by other listmembers was amazingly agressive, it was not just disagreeing, it was you CANNOT SAY THAT. Why not? We all know it's true.
42 posted on 04/06/2002 4:28:29 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, the English example is not the same as the US. Also, in the French Catholic Church I get the impression that gay men are not much found in the priesthood. French priests tend to be heterosexual in their transgressions. However, in French society there is a long-standing tolerance that some priests have mistresses, and these women have an accepted status, but not flaunted. Does anyone have any comments on these matters in other religions? I have read that there is a homosexual subculture in some Orthodox Jewish Yeshivas (noted SOME, and doubtless unknown to others) and this would make sense, given the strict segregation of the sexes. I have never read any proper sources on such relationships in Islamic colleges, but by my own observations - there is a certain type of patron relationship between devoted young male students and older Imams which look a bit ...
43 posted on 04/06/2002 4:36:07 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: jwalsh07
The reason the media talks about pedophilia is because they don't want to use the words homosexual and statutory rape or abuse in the same sentence.

I was watching a program on MSNBC the other day and was amazed at the pains one of the guests took to tap-dance around the fact that all of the molestation victims were boys and none were girls. He kept repeating that a pedophile is a pedophile is a pedophile and the gender of the victim is irrelevant. When the other guest questioned as to why no girls had been molested, the first guest accused him of trying to turn the subject into a gay-bashing agenda. He never did answer the question.

44 posted on 04/06/2002 5:03:10 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Notwithstanding
I've read this has been a pedophile situation.

Speaking for my area, it has been proven we have 6 priests with problems in the last 15 years.
That works out to 1/5th of 1%.

Zero is acceptable, but this attempt to call everything a homosexual culture is going to far from what I have read so far.

There are many against Christianity in the press that will use this to sell papers.

I also see a witch hunt forming.
This is getting to be like when after 9-11 people who were not family of the victims were trying to access disaster money.

Where there is money there will be lawyers and false folks trying to mix in with the real problems.

Not a good situation.

45 posted on 04/06/2002 5:13:16 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: BlackVeil
Yes, the English example is not the same as the US. Also, in the French Catholic Church I get the impression that gay men are not much found in the priesthood. French priests tend to be heterosexual in their transgressions. However, in French society there is a long-standing tolerance that some priests have mistresses, and these women have an accepted status, but not flaunted.

Same thing in Poland. In the most of seminaries, my friends told me there used to be a constant "hunt for homosexuals" to get them out of the closet and then to get them out the door. But I am told that in the last years this vigilance got lax. Maybe the scandal in America will be a warning and will work as a vaccine.

46 posted on 04/06/2002 5:24:37 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: BlackVeil
That's why I think this will work out for the best. The Catholic Church will cleanse itself of homosexual priests who have shown any interest in boys, it will have to acknowledge there is a tendency of homosexuals to prefer boys of 14-16 years of age and be extremely careful about them. It should justify removal of all homosexuals from the Church ---at least ones ever caught not being celibate. This isn't pedophilia in the definition used by many which is young children below 10 or 12. I think it's pedophilia because I consider anyone below 18 to be a child --but I know there are gray areas on that. Either way, the Church should realize it is held to a different standard than the rest of society and must set itself apart.
47 posted on 04/06/2002 8:30:06 PM PST by FITZ
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To: ED Basher
You nailed it my friend!
48 posted on 04/08/2002 11:29:17 AM PDT by iranger
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To: iranger
A big bump to put the current discussion about the Boston scandal into a larger context.
49 posted on 04/10/2002 7:43:45 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: anniegetyourgun
There are a couple of reasons that CAN exist for the problem being 'covered up.' First possibility is that the Bishop is a bit naive and thinks that a lecture and a little rehab will stop the problem--'forgive/forget,' after all, is what the Bishops are supposed to be preaching.

The second possibility is that the Bishops are just as, ah, disoriented as are the priests--and the "I'll out you if you jail me" response was given.

Another, more technical problem, is that once ordained, a priest is a priest forever (sort of like marriage.)Thus, one could be reluctant to simply toss the guy into jail.

Recently the Vatican has been waving a document (1961) forbidding the ordination of homosexuals which was obviously ignored.

From these bits of info you may deduce that ignoring the Vatican document was deliberate--from which you could also deduce that at least a few of the Bishops in this country have an orientation problem, and are subject to blackmail.

Sorry mess, isn't it??

51 posted on 04/12/2002 6:00:02 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: HENRYADAMS
Do not cast your pearls before the swine

Even more: don't send your pearls off with the swine for a weekend "retreat." (Lay off the flaming--I am a Catholic.)

52 posted on 04/12/2002 6:06:45 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: A CA Guy
I live in a Diocese in the Upper Midwest. While the wildly inflated "50% are gay" numbers are tossed around with no proof whatsoever, TRUST ME when I say that in my Diocese, far more than 5% of the priests are gay. We have at least 15 in the last 10 years who 'disappeared,' either quietly or not-so-quietly; and there's more to come, according to my excellent source at the local newspaper.

Of course, our Bishop is a leader of the 'to hell with the Pope' gang in the USA--and it shows.

53 posted on 04/12/2002 6:11:24 PM PDT by ninenot
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