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Part 2: Homosexual Culture Undercuts Priesthood
NewsMax ^ | 4-5-2002 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 04/05/2002 12:32:54 PM PST by Notwithstanding

Homosexual Culture Undercuts Priesthood

Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com
Friday, April 5, 2002
Editor's note: See part one of this series, Anti-Catholic 'Experts' Fuel Church's Scandals.

Father Andrew Greeley called it the "Lavender Mafia," a homosexual underground within the Catholic Church in America that has managed to dominate many of the seminaries and must bear the largest share of the blame for the sex scandals afflicting the church.

Like the gay underground in the British Foreign Office of the past where for scores of years the road to advancement was open only to homosexuals, the Lavender Mafia has been the gatekeeper determining who will be admitted to seminaries and ultimately to the Roman Catholic priesthood.

In Goodbye! Good Men: How Catholic Seminaries Turned Away Two Generations of Vocations From the Priesthood," author Michael S. Rose quotes a former Mundelein seminarian, Joseph Kellenyi, as saying: "The issue was never one of my suitability for ordination. Rather it was that the gay clique had been given veto power over who got ordained."

'Gay Profession'

In his book, "The Changing Face of the Priesthood," the rector of St. Mary's Seminary in Cleveland, Father Donald B. Cozzens, warned that the priesthood was becoming a "gay profession."

And in the seminaries it wasn't merely a preponderance of gay students, but also "a disproportionate number of homosexually-oriented persons," including faculty, he wrote.

That kind of atmosphere, Rose notes, "deters the heterosexual man from continuing to study and prepare for the priesthood."

Rose wonders how can "any healthy heterosexual seminarian expect to be properly formed and prepared for the priesthood when constantly subjected to that which is so clearly contrary to Church teaching and discipline?"

'Threatening Atmosphere'

He asks: "How many heterosexual seminarians, whether orthodox or not, have decided to leave the seminary and abandon their vocations because of the 'gay subculture' they were forced to endure, because they had been propositioned, harassed or even molested? We're not talking here about the presence of a few homosexually-oriented men who conduct themselves with perfect chastity. Rather there exists an intense and often threatening atmosphere."

Indeed, so horrific is the situation that "certain seminaries have earned nicknames such as Notre Flame (for Notre Dame Seminary in New Orleans) and Theological Closet (for Theological College at Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.); St. Mary's Seminary in Baltimore has earned the nickname 'The Pink Palace.'"

Visiting the Gay Bars

At some of the seminaries, faculty and students would don their gay apparel and head for gay bars. In March 2000 the liberal Greeley, often called the church's resident pornographer for his racy novels, testified that seminary professors "Tell their students that they're gay and take some of them to gay bars, and gay students sleep with each other."

Greeley is not alone in exposing the homosexual behavior rampant in many of the nation's seminaries:



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; homosexual; scandal
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To: Palladin
....perchance starting with the upper echelon?
....now we are seeing the domino effect of reckoning, how high will it go?
21 posted on 04/05/2002 4:19:06 PM PST by GrandMoM
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To: anniegetyourgun
The bishops panicked after the seminaries emptied after Vatican II (NO Marriage for priests). They accepted anyone.They gays filled the vaccuum.
22 posted on 04/05/2002 4:31:01 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
I hadn't thought of that. You may have revealed a BIG piece of the puzzle. Thanks. Of course, it still represents compromise with the world. That is sad, indeed.
23 posted on 04/05/2002 5:13:35 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Palladin
Thank you Lord Acton.
24 posted on 04/05/2002 6:47:53 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: ED Basher
The problem is not pedophilia, the problem is homosexual priests betraying the trust of adolescent boys who have been taught that priests are damn near infallible.

The reason the media talks about pedophilia is because they don't want to use the words homosexual and statutory rape or abuse in the same sentence.

25 posted on 04/05/2002 6:52:49 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: anniegetyourgun
I have come to regard with suspicion every priest under 60. Some of the guys I see around are definitely limp at thw rist types.
26 posted on 04/05/2002 9:38:40 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: jwalsh07
The view had this "victim" on their show yesterday. No one asked this character if he AND the priest were homosexuals. That this might be a problem of homosexuals is an issue that no one is raising sufficiently. What Father Greeley calls the "Lavender Mafia" needs to be broken up.
27 posted on 04/05/2002 9:42:39 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: anniegetyourgun
You wrote: "I know that in protestant churches abuse can happen too. It's usually male to female, however... there is NO indication from any quarter that protestant seminaries have endured this kind of thing ..." Depends on the culture. The English writer A.N.Wilson was going to enter the Anglican ministry. He described his time in their college as being the only period of his life when he had lived in an openly homosexual environment. Apparently hetero men like him were in the minority. This was "high" Anglican, in England, during the 70s I think.
28 posted on 04/06/2002 3:01:59 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: ED Basher
Suppost my friend has an affair with a 15 yr old high school girl. We all would consider him a horn bag and a dirty old man, but not a pedophile. When a priest has an affair with a 15 year old boy, he is not considered a horny homo, but is instead labeled a PEDOPHILE.

You are 100% right. I cringe every time I hear some talking-head on television say "pedophile priest." Heck, throughout most of the third-world, girls 14 and up are considered marriage material. Are their husbands all pedophiles?
The problem is homosexuality, but the media won't call a spade a spade.
29 posted on 04/06/2002 3:19:03 AM PST by irishjuggler
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To: Notwithstanding
Funny how when the accusation of man-to-boy sexual contact arises, because the perp is a priest the media overlooks the homosexual aspect of the crime. Whysssssat?
30 posted on 04/06/2002 3:22:16 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: RobbyS
The bishops panicked after the seminaries emptied after Vatican II (NO Marriage for priests). They accepted anyone.They gays filled the vaccuum.

I am presuming that prior to Vatican II priests COULD marry?

31 posted on 04/06/2002 3:23:19 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: jwalsh07
The reason the media talks about pedophilia is because they don't want to use the words homosexual and statutory rape or abuse in the same sentence.

Ditto! Were a conservative talk show host to say "I support removal and prosecution of all homosexual priests" how fast would the NY TIMES and ACT UP condemn him? Even when his goal (save the children) is the same as that stated by the media that continues to bash the church.

32 posted on 04/06/2002 3:25:35 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: RobbyS
What Father Greeley calls the "Lavender Mafia" needs to be broken up.

Well the Catholic Church needs an effective media counteraction. The homos tried to destroy the military, the boy scouts and the church. They are the epitomy of evil and must be stopped.

33 posted on 04/06/2002 3:27:27 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: anniegetyourgun
>>Did those in the pews just keep quiet when they found these things out? <<

I don't think it's quite that simple.

First, my qualifications to hold an opinion. I'm a Protestant (UCC raised) married to a Boston Irish Catholic with a large family. I've agreed in faith to have my three daughters raised Catholic, and I attend a Catholic church.

Among believers (and it's a given that there are many faithless Protestants and faithless RC), Protestants tend to have faith in Christ, and Catholics tend to have faith in the Church. If you're Protestant and don't know a lot of Catholics, this is hard to understand (by which I mean, you can know it but not "get it").

Imagine trying to process evidence that the Holy Spirit was working in the world to do evil instead of good. It would take a lot to convince you, wouldn't it? Maybe your faith wouldn't allow you to believe it, no matter what?

That's the situation a lot of our RC brothers and sisters are in.

This business of faith in the Church isn't a metaphor, and it isn't like saying, "I have faith in the Methodist Church". It's real, it's the way Christ comes into these folk's hearts, and it's not easy to work around.

If you or I lose our "faith" in our particular denomination (which is easy, as you no doubt know)-we just change to another one. This is a strength, and a weakness, of Protestant Christianity.

When a faithful Catholic loses their faith in the RC Church, they usually lose everything-which is yet another reason these "priests" and their supervisors are so despicable.

34 posted on 04/06/2002 3:44:43 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: BlackVeil
I can believe that, but was thinking of the US specifically.
35 posted on 04/06/2002 4:44:37 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Jim Noble
Thanks for that thoughtful review. I hear the same concept when speaking to Jews. They presume an acceptance of Jesus as their Messiah makes them "no longer Jewish" instead of understanding that nothing is MORE Jewish than the Jew who knows Messiah.

In any case, perhaps this turn of events in the RC church will cause many to seek a personal relationship with Him within the real Church universal - the Body of Christ.

36 posted on 04/06/2002 4:50:23 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: VA Advogado
Funny how when the accusation of man-to-boy sexual contact arises, because the perp is a priest the media overlooks the homosexual aspect of the crime. Whysssssat?

I really hope this campaign against the Church backfires in a big way. If the Church is found guilty ---it's guilty of allowing homosexuals to be around teenage boys. Then that puts a damper on the whole idea of gay adoption, and the government had better get to work removing homosexuals from Public Schools and all other institutions.

37 posted on 04/06/2002 5:11:05 AM PST by FITZ
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To: VA Advogado
Also since many of these crimes were over 20 years ago, they shouldn't have let Clinton off for those rapes he committed over 20 years ago.
38 posted on 04/06/2002 5:14:53 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
I really hope this campaign against the Church backfires in a big way. If the Church is found guilty ---it's guilty of allowing homosexuals to be around teenage boys. Then that puts a damper on the whole idea of gay adoption, and the government had better get to work removing homosexuals from Public Schools and all other institutions.

That's where this is all heading. That is as soon as someone mentions the elephant in the living room. I suspect the defenders of the Catholic church will engage in mutually assured destruction (MAD) as soon as the wolves get too close to the gate. The nuke they will use is the point you've just made.

39 posted on 04/06/2002 5:24:58 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Notwithstanding
My sympathies go out to our Catholic friends. On the other hand maybe the lesson will be learned by all christians-e.g. one cannot temporize with those who are addicted to the vice of homosexuality. Do not cast your pearls before the swine!
40 posted on 04/06/2002 5:34:37 AM PST by HENRYADAMS
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