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Posted on 03/28/2002 8:04:49 AM PST by sheltonmac

Rather than crash the pro-Bush orgy threads, I thought I would honor the requests of the "we must support the president at all costs" crowd and let them bask in their Republican utopia in ignorant bliss. Consider this a thread that seeks actual debate and discussion concerning the "accomplishments" of our current president. Feel free to voice your support or opposition to the president's policies. After all, dissension, even among conservatives, can be healthy.

This thread is in response to the blatant display of sheer ignorance on the part of some FReepers. There have been several threads initiated lately that have included some rather disturbing posts. Without naming names, I would like to share some of those with you:

"I guess when you want to get MEANINGFUL CFR you avoid the obvious veto bait and keep the issue out of the dem's hands, so that hopefully you can get a Senate elected and some JUDGES appointed.

I guess when you are running a WAR you don't have time for this stuff that is nothing more than petty political junk. Instead, you get the bill where the SC can decide it."

This person supports the president so much that he or she is willing to overlook the clear unconstitutionality of the Incumbent Protection Act. The president ignored his oath of office and deliberately signed an unconstitutional piece of legislation as part of some well-concealed strategy? Please.
"If you're 'proud he's your President' why don't you try supporting him instead of bashing him.

He's smarter than you are. He knows what he's doing.

And he hasn't betrayed anyone."

Translation: President Bush is smarter than his critics. We should trust him without so much as a whimper of criticism regarding any unconstitutional legislation he may force down our throats. He hasn't betrayed anyone but the American people, so back off.
"There are many of us who have chosen to STILL support the President even though we may disagree with some of the things he's done. Where is the reality in expecting the President to agree with you on absolutely everything he does? It's nowhere. Because that reality does not exist no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves that it does.

But consider this. Think back two years ago... and now think of what the alternative could have been. Cripe, even Rosie O'Donnell admits she didn't like GWB, but even she supports him now. I am simply amazed that it takes one issue, one issue, to dismay so many people."

Perhaps the "one issue" that dismays so many people is the fact that the president we are expected to support has violated the very solemn oath he swore to keep, that being his promise to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Say what you want about Clinton. Play the "What if Gore were elected" game if you want. That was then, this is now. We have a president in office who essentially told America, "This law may be unconstitutional but I'm signing it anyway."

Has anyone read the statement on FreeRepublic's main page? It reads as follows:

Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.
I always thought standing for smaller government meant just that, whether that means criticizing a Democrat or Republican administration. We need to ask ourselves one question: are we for smaller government and more freedom? If the answer is "Yes," then act accordingly. Let's not fall into the trap that says we must support the liberal policies of a president at all costs simply because he's not as liberal as a Democrat.


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KEYWORDS: bush; cfr; freespeech
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To: jpsb
You know exactly what I mean........I don't grab on to ONE ITEM and say "If Bush doesn't do exactly like I SAY he should on this, then I'm going to sit home next time."

Nice try though.

321 posted on 03/28/2002 10:42:00 AM PST by Howlin
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To: LiberteeBell
That's a pretty comprehensive list in post #164. I suppose some Bush supporter will try to explain away those things by saying that the president has some strategy up his sleeve that we just don't know about and that we should just trust him. Who are we to criticize him? We're just simple citizens, not rich politicians fluent in all the constitutional loopholes.
322 posted on 03/28/2002 10:43:11 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: Clemenza
I miss Richard Pryor SSOOOOOOOOOOO much; we quote him around here ALL the time. He was SOOOOOOOOO right!
323 posted on 03/28/2002 10:43:26 AM PST by Howlin
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To: cake_crumb
I'm asking you to read the entire bill. You're right: some things ARE black and white. Please read the entire bill is one of them. It means please read the entire bill.

I have read what was available on the Congressional website.

Do you have a point?

324 posted on 03/28/2002 10:43:33 AM PST by OWK
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
I've known you long enough to know your Libertarian ideologies. Disagree with your opinions probably 99 and 9/10ths of the time. Respectfully.

Thanks for the respect, which lasts precisely until your next comment to me. :-)

As to the quote you posted from me "He has surpassed any expectations we had of him."

I suggest you develop the ability to "read" more than mere words, but the "meaning" behind them.

Thanks for the advice. I'll add mind reading to my "to do" list right away.

One could read it to say we had "little" expectations from him,..and have been pleasantly surprized. Which we have.

That was precisely my point. You had low expectations and he was bound to be better than that. Which would lead me to ponder why someone would vote for someone from whom they expected so little.

He is proving to be a huge threat to you isn't he? There goes the chance of a Libertarian President in 2004!!! LOL

That is a laugh! I don't know a single person who believes we will elect a Libertarian president in 2004, much less a libertarian president. We all know that who ever is elected, most probably the current statist, the country will still be screwed. and we will have less liberty and larger government than we had before.

Thanks again for the advice. It sure means a lot comming from a "cognitive" person like you. Have a nice Easter. FRegards!!

325 posted on 03/28/2002 10:43:52 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: f.Christian

326 posted on 03/28/2002 10:44:43 AM PST by OWK
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To: MarkWar
Oh, hell. you got me. FR was just too successful at electing and re-electing Bush so the PTB of the NWO ordered me to balkanize it. They don't want to take a chance on the world discovering that FR is actually a secret front for the CIA, ADL, NOW, RLC and NWO. FR must be balkanized and them destroyed. How else are we going to make the world safe for the Bush takeover? By the way, I guess Clinton decided to give up on his scheme to rule the world. Bush is now the man. Actually, that was just a scam anyway. The secret deal was made between Bush Sr, Ross Perot and Bill Clinton. They allowed Perot to appear to take out Bush Sr, and let Clinton advance the NWO ball for 8 yrs. Now Bush Jr has the ball, but the real secret is, Bush Sr is actually running the whole shebang. The CIA rules!
327 posted on 03/28/2002 10:45:02 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: jpsb
"Well there you have it, NOTHING is worth fighting for, everything is negociable"

Precisely. The busheeple are happy as long as bush leaves their retirement, social security and investments alone. All else should be interpreted by the supremes because common folk like me are just too dumb to figure it out. Down right nauseating.

328 posted on 03/28/2002 10:45:51 AM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: Jim Robinson
aaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssssssssssseeeeeee!!!
329 posted on 03/28/2002 10:46:45 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: Jim Robinson
LOL
330 posted on 03/28/2002 10:48:08 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Dr. Frank
"...3-5 people whose quotes I selected for criticism and decided to employ as representative of the entire forum."

Those quotes were not indicative of the entire forum and you know it.

331 posted on 03/28/2002 10:48:21 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: Howlin
Do you want the Supreme Court to stop doing what they are suppose to do, or do you just want them to agree with you on every single isssue?

Your use of that expression -- 'agree with you' -- is very telling; you see such issues as mere matters of opinion, in that saying CFR is constitutional or unconstitutional is equivalent to saying the cottage cheese tastes good or bad. Nobody can objectively prove that cottage cheese tastes bad. If I hold that opinion, a dissenting opinion carries just as much weight and legitimacy.

Is this REALLY how you think of Constitutional issues? For the record, I don't want the Court to agree with me or any other human being. I want it to agree with the Constitution, and I expect it actually will in this case. Either way, it does nothing to justify Bush's violation of his oath of office.

332 posted on 03/28/2002 10:48:29 AM PST by Sloth
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To: Jim Robinson
"Oh, hell. you got me"

I knew you we're gonna have to weigh in on that one eventually, LOL.

333 posted on 03/28/2002 10:48:33 AM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: Jim Robinson
You know Jim, the rest of us in the Illuminati don't like it when you blow our cover...
334 posted on 03/28/2002 10:49:41 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Pray tell,.. enlighten us to the responsibilities of the three branches of our Government. Even though you do not know the educational level of, nor the Government experience some here have,.. please educate us all. I'm sincerely interested in your opinion and views on how each branch should have responded to the CFR issue.

I would be surprised to learn that anyone with significant government experience would believe the Supreme Court is the only branch tasked with considering constitutional questions.

335 posted on 03/28/2002 10:50:06 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: sheltonmac
I think idea here best

TIME TO PAY BACK A CFR RINO....endorsed by Bush


336 posted on 03/28/2002 10:50:42 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Jim Robinson
The CIA rules!

When you got your orders from the CIA, were they, perchance, written on the back of a map?

337 posted on 03/28/2002 10:50:47 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Jim Robinson
We can't attack the flames...we have to go to the source of the fuel!
338 posted on 03/28/2002 10:50:58 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: Sunshine Patriot
Here:

1. This person must adhere to the Constitution of the United States at all times.
2. This person must protect the United States against all comers.
3. This person must protect the citizens of the United States against all dangers, foreign or domestic.

339 posted on 03/28/2002 10:51:05 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: f.Christian

340 posted on 03/28/2002 10:51:52 AM PST by OWK
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