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Posted on 03/28/2002 8:04:49 AM PST by sheltonmac
Rather than crash the pro-Bush orgy threads, I thought I would honor the requests of the "we must support the president at all costs" crowd and let them bask in their Republican utopia in ignorant bliss. Consider this a thread that seeks actual debate and discussion concerning the "accomplishments" of our current president. Feel free to voice your support or opposition to the president's policies. After all, dissension, even among conservatives, can be healthy.
This thread is in response to the blatant display of sheer ignorance on the part of some FReepers. There have been several threads initiated lately that have included some rather disturbing posts. Without naming names, I would like to share some of those with you:
"I guess when you want to get MEANINGFUL CFR you avoid the obvious veto bait and keep the issue out of the dem's hands, so that hopefully you can get a Senate elected and some JUDGES appointed.This person supports the president so much that he or she is willing to overlook the clear unconstitutionality of the Incumbent Protection Act. The president ignored his oath of office and deliberately signed an unconstitutional piece of legislation as part of some well-concealed strategy? Please.I guess when you are running a WAR you don't have time for this stuff that is nothing more than petty political junk. Instead, you get the bill where the SC can decide it."
"If you're 'proud he's your President' why don't you try supporting him instead of bashing him.Translation: President Bush is smarter than his critics. We should trust him without so much as a whimper of criticism regarding any unconstitutional legislation he may force down our throats. He hasn't betrayed anyone but the American people, so back off.He's smarter than you are. He knows what he's doing.
And he hasn't betrayed anyone."
"There are many of us who have chosen to STILL support the President even though we may disagree with some of the things he's done. Where is the reality in expecting the President to agree with you on absolutely everything he does? It's nowhere. Because that reality does not exist no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves that it does.Perhaps the "one issue" that dismays so many people is the fact that the president we are expected to support has violated the very solemn oath he swore to keep, that being his promise to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Say what you want about Clinton. Play the "What if Gore were elected" game if you want. That was then, this is now. We have a president in office who essentially told America, "This law may be unconstitutional but I'm signing it anyway."But consider this. Think back two years ago... and now think of what the alternative could have been. Cripe, even Rosie O'Donnell admits she didn't like GWB, but even she supports him now. I am simply amazed that it takes one issue, one issue, to dismay so many people."
Has anyone read the statement on FreeRepublic's main page? It reads as follows:
Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.I always thought standing for smaller government meant just that, whether that means criticizing a Democrat or Republican administration. We need to ask ourselves one question: are we for smaller government and more freedom? If the answer is "Yes," then act accordingly. Let's not fall into the trap that says we must support the liberal policies of a president at all costs simply because he's not as liberal as a Democrat.
And I will make no doubt about the Constitution and the Founders intent is a line that is worth drawing in sand or clay.
Amen.
Well, I wouldn't go THAT far but it does make one wonder if the repubs have completely sold out to the dems.
What if the SC upholds it? Justice Kennedy the deciding vote usually, is not known for his constitutional principals. What then? Is Bush still a genius?
Here, Here. The buck stops at the Constitution.
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Yes, the supremes have NEVER made any bad calls. Howlin, you're a lot smarter than that. Sheesh
The "living document" theory. That's a novel approach, for someone on a conservative forum.
As to the quote you posted from me "He has surpassed any expectations we had of him."
I suggest you develop the ability to "read" more than mere words, but the "meaning" behind them.
One could read it to say we had "little" expectations from him,..and have been pleasantly surprized. Which we have. He is proving to be a huge threat to you isn't he? There goes the chance of a Libertarian President in 2004!!! LOL
Next time try not to put so much time contemplating about which "quote" from history you will respond with. Step out of that box that is inhibiting your cognitive growth!
FRegards!!
Easy: I disagreed COMPLETELY with the signing of this bill. Until I read it. Now that I have read it, I refuse to join the hanging party over it. Short of a line item veto, it looks like signing it was the best choice. I therefore feel that the the exponentially vicious attacks against him are over the top, and will defend him on those grounds. Not everything is black and white.
Principle is.
According to you, the SC had no right to rule in the Bush-Gore 2000 question.
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The Supreme Court is not always right, that's for sure. Judicial activism is wrong, period. As I said the other day, each of the three branches of government is responsible for eliminating unconstitutional law - it doesn't just fall to the judicial branch.
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