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Interesting commentary. One question: Is it too late for the Republic and for Constitutional advocates? Can we prevail and can the nation survive?
1 posted on 03/25/2002 11:38:23 AM PST by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
One question: Is it too late for the Republic and for Constitutional advocates?

Short answer: Yes. Open to discussion.

2 posted on 03/25/2002 11:42:44 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: 45Auto
The Second Amendment states “…shall not be infringed” which doesn’t restrict a specific body from regulating arms, it restricts ALL people or government, including state and local, from regulating or “Infringing” on the right.

Not without the "shall apply to the States" amendment it doesn't.

7 posted on 03/25/2002 12:00:51 PM PST by Pistias
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Is it too late for the Republic and for Constitutional advocates?

It is too late. The only thing that will save the country is a revolution. Whether it is a shooting one or not will be determined by the government. Should they decide to return to the Constition it may be a peaceful revolution, otherwise it will be violent.

9 posted on 03/25/2002 12:03:40 PM PST by Free Fire Zone
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no one can honestly believe that an otherwise law abiding citizen should spend 10 years in prison because they forgot they were carrying their licensed firearm when they voluntarily walked into a metal detector at a courthouse or airport

You should never forget you're carrying a firearm. 10 years is excessive, however.

12 posted on 03/25/2002 12:07:34 PM PST by Pistias
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One day, if marches, recalls and civil disobedience do not bring the government back into line with the Constitution, armed conflict will be necessary.

This bears repeating. One wonders what the outrage will be that finally causes us to rise up and destroy this monster that has come to control so much of our lives. I hate the idea that this will be necessary, but I know, know, that it will be.

18 posted on 03/25/2002 12:18:13 PM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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Do we need any more evidence that corruption is the norm, not the exception in, not just the FBI, but all government?

I think we need only about 97% more.

GETTIN' CLOSE!!!

20 posted on 03/25/2002 12:20:20 PM PST by alcuin
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One question: Is it too late for the Republic and for Constitutional advocates? Can we prevail and can the nation survive?

I think we can prevail. We were challanged to do just that. The famous words, "A Republic, if you can keep it...." rings in truer today than ever before. And we can keep it. Thank GOD for the internet, the perfect means for the masses to communicate and formulate ways to fight the good fight. We have done it here. And we always WILL continue to do so. That is what we are about, in the end.

22 posted on 03/25/2002 12:22:43 PM PST by Republic
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As long as a hundred of us remain alive we will never be subject to tyrannical domination, because it is not for glory or for riches or honours that we fight, but for freedom alone which no worthy man loses except with his life. Taken from the “Declaration of Arbroath” 1320
25 posted on 03/25/2002 12:27:00 PM PST by thrcanbonly1
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"I don't advocate taking up arms, although it is interesting that the Founding Fathers took up arms against the King for far less than we currently endure. One day, if marches, recalls and civil disobedience do not bring the government back into line with the Constitution, armed conflict will be necessary."

The thread was pulled because the article calls for civil disobedience and then brings up the possibilty of armed conflict being necessary. As you know, Free Republic does not advocate violence or an overthrow of the government. We also do not allow FR to be used for promoting illegal activities. Our protests are not civil disobedience. We've been very careful to abide by the law in all of our activism projects. If people on this thread start calling for armed conflict or other illegal acts, the thread will be permanently deleted. Otherwise I will let it stand. Thanks, Jim

32 posted on 03/25/2002 2:11:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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BFLR
33 posted on 03/25/2002 2:17:45 PM PST by FrogMom
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It is never too late to achieve again, what has been achieved before. While traditional Americans remain in large numbers, Liberty will be within our grasp.

This does not mean that it will be easy to achieve.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

34 posted on 03/25/2002 2:29:21 PM PST by Ohioan
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The Second as a check against tyranny is mighty, but not complete. Even were the Second to be fully honored, and the right to bear arms unrestrained, there are forms of tyranny that can and do develop.

Not all the ten amendments have been able to hold that tyranny at bay -- for laws are mere words, unsubstantial without men to act upon them.

Yet even a population fully armed, and a number willing to use those arms against tyranny cannot not succeed against an established tyranny. The tyrannized Dutch fought a very long war against Spain -- generations came and went in that war. Spain was far the less than our modern Federal tyrants power in extent, in numbers, in every measure, far the less.

Fools the rebels at arms against the Federal behemoth -- fools not without good cause, but fools to even hope much less act in a vain way. Only the vanity of a fool is served in such waste.

There is one rule of close warfare in such circumstance and it has in History been successful again and again when applied.

That rule is simple. Well known. Seemingly the most trivial, and its inherent wisdom ignored for that simplicity. It is simple! Applied with persistance, however it is overwhelming, unbeatable.

If you can't beat them, join them.

36 posted on 03/25/2002 2:47:12 PM PST by bvw
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BUMP .... thanks for finding an article that puts my thoughts and feelings so eloquently.

People don't want to believe it but we are headed for a collision here in the not too distant future.

50 posted on 03/25/2002 3:40:23 PM PST by Centurion2000
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You will be sued if you don't immediately post this in Spanish, Chinese, Arabic and Sanskrit!!
52 posted on 03/25/2002 3:56:49 PM PST by Nitro
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To: 45Auto
This entire article represents a very interesting situation.

We the People are getting pissed off with our lousy, two bit, make believe government that has two standards-one for you and I and one for all who work in government.

As lawlessness prevails in government, We the People lose faith. We begin to become disgusted with the phoney politician's smile, and that firm handshake.

We accept the typical politician when things are going well, and when governmental corruption is hardly noticed, but times have changed.

Governments become afraid when We the People see thru their lies. They fear we might become organized,..something we will never be allowed to do. They fear we might stop paying taxes as a group. The media is well under the control of our leaders, now. The government/media complex is working very well indeed. Citizens will never be allowed to become organized in their anger against repugnant government, even if only to voice their feelings of distrust.

This article is a symbol of a crack in the side of a giant ship. That ship is named Big Government. We the People are being held in the belly of that ship. We are not floating off to some distant paradise in the sun, but our elected leaders are.

We are the engines that keep government afloat and propelled forward as we grind away day after day paying almost 50% of our incomes to Big Government -because it says we must.

The crack in the side of this giant ship is allowing light in from outside. Some can see sunlight shinning through the hull of the ship, while others smell something fishy is going on.

All along, we were being told that we controlled the destiny of this ship, and that the best life we can have is here its belly listening to our government task masters as they crack whips and smile. Back to work!, the proclaim. And, in the next election, vote for me! I won't burden you as much as that man over there!

Americans are going about their daily lives doing the best they can to have a good life,- to keep some of their hard earned money so they can have a few hours off each year to have fun with their families. If only they knew that the very leaders they voted for are on the deck of the giant ship throwing parties in the Sun. Splashing in the huge, beautiful pools, and eating the finest foods on earth. They are enjoying the best life has to offer while in the belly of the giant ship, Americans slave away-keeping the ship moving towards many tropical destinations.

The politicians will go ashore to spend days on the beach and nights in the finest hotels....while American families place incredible trust in their task masters and continue to toil away, never knowing that the politicians they voted into office have turned them into paid slaves.


54 posted on 03/25/2002 4:40:29 PM PST by antidemocommie
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Add to these the abuses by agents of the state under the guise of CPS/DHS/DYCF or whatever child protection service you have in your state. The jackals routinely kidnap children from innocent parents and the Federal Government subsidizes them - even gives them a bonus every time the successfully several parental rights and adopt the children out.

I'm quickly becoming an expert on this subject because I've had to help relatives keep their children or get them returned to them after YEARS in state custody though the parents were found innocent.

Tyranny is here - and it isn't just eh FedGov. Your state can swoop down at any time and steal your children. They do not follow due process, you don't get a jury, hearsay and other crap is admissable in juvenile/family court, etc. You are, without question, guilty until proven innocent and then you still might not get your children back.

Does this p*** you off like it does me? Go to The American Family Advocacy Center and find out more. I highly recommend you purchase the book called Profane Justice: A Comprehensive Guide to Asserting Your Parental Rights and read it now, before the jackals come for your kids. There are certain precautions you need to have in place ahead of time to hold off the agents of the state who want to adbuct your children under color of law.

64 posted on 03/25/2002 5:07:09 PM PST by Spiff
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Ping! Another one worth taking a look-see. I'm out for the night.
78 posted on 03/25/2002 6:51:34 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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84 posted on 03/25/2002 8:16:51 PM PST by copycat
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To: 45Auto
"Interesting commentary. One question: Is it too late for the Republic and for Constitutional advocates? Can we prevail and can the nation survive?"

Actually, that is two questions. LOL!

Excellent post. Every man woman and child would be served and perserved it they would study this and keep current on what is happening in government.

Problem is ... even if they did this ... government has become so engorged and enlarged with bureaucracies and the continual escalation of regulations, restrictions, requirements, prohitions (restricted land access, parks) etc., it is such overload everywhere ... how do we start? Where? Starting at the top is not feasible or effective. Setting up an impossible goal.

This thread and the buffonish interruption of the discourse in the attempt to keep it off track, and fragmented by dissenters is always present in any meeting, committee, group effort. Ever been on a school board? Church board? Ciy Council? ... the tyranny of the minority results in our being disenfranchised.... It demonstrates in microcosm the overwhelming difficulty and frustrating clarity of the situation.

We must make changes, as we are on the road to chaos and soon. How?

My answer to the two questions is ...
1. Possibly (we are either right on the edge or it is crumbling under our feet).
2.Yes... if and it is a big if ... we are willing to do what it takes to create changes within the system. Few are and no one can be blamed for wanting to avoid all the possible destructive consequences to their life. We tend to require being dragged kicking and screaming into such a situation.
Can we survive Hey that's a third question.
3.As a nation and form of government .... YES. as we are now? Not likely. Ahh... therein lies the rub.

93 posted on 03/26/2002 8:00:48 AM PST by Countyline
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Bumpety-bump.
94 posted on 03/26/2002 8:34:18 AM PST by TBP
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