Ask the imam: Why can t the Jews and Muslims live together in peace?

I am speaking under correction. Please do correct me if I don't have my facts right:

According to The Bible there is no country such as Israel, only Palestine. The Jew and the Arab, both stemming from Abraham is in fact half brothers. So why can they not live in harmony in a new country called Palestine?

There is no doubt that the Prophet of Allaah Ibraaheem (Abraham) was a pure monotheist, and he was not among the polytheists and disbelievers. Although the Jews are among the offspring of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), they went against his way by associating partners in worship with Allaah and claiming that ‘Uzayr (Ezra) was a “son of God.” They said that God is miserly and that His hand is “tied up”, and they said, “He is poor and we are rich.” They also said that when God created the heavens and the earth in six days, He got tired, so He rested on the Sabbath day – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say about Him. They also likened the attributes of God to human attributes (anthropomorphism) and killed the Prophets, etc., etc.

Once this distinction and contrast is made clear, there can be no brotherhood between a monotheistic believer and a polytheistic disbeliever, as Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah. We have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever, - until you believe in Allaah Alone,’ – except the saying of Ibraaheem to his father: ‘Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allaah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allaah.’ Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return, - … Certinaly, there has been in them an excellent example for you to follow, - for those who look forward to (the Meeting with) Allaah – (for the reward from Him) and the Last Day. And whosoever turn away, then verily, Allaah is Rich (Free of all wants), Worthy of all Praise.” [al-Mumtahinah 60:4,6]

Once this separation and enmity is clear, it is unavoidable that there will be hostility and disavowal and the resulting struggle against the enemies of Allaah. So long as the laws and wisdom of Allaah dictate that there should the distinction between believers and disbelievers, there has to be this clearly-stated enmity. There can be no change to the laws of Allaah.

There cannot be harmony between Jews – who are usurpers and aggressors, who have oppressed and persecuted others, and who are known for their treachery and corruption throughout the world, historically and in the present age – and the purely monotheistic Muslim owners of the land, whose menfolk the Jews have killed, and imprisoned their sons, and destroyed their homes, and taken possession of their lands by force, and prevented them from earning a proper living, and carried out chemical and radiational experiments on their prisoners, and taken organs from them for transplant into Jewish patients… and all other kinds of persecutions and atrocities.

In addition to this, the Jews are people of treachery and betrayal; it is not possible to trust them at all. Their current conduct bears this out: is there any treaty or agreement signed by them that they have actually fulfilled? This is no big surprise for the Muslims, who know what Allaah has said in His Book about the Jews (interpretation of the meaning): “Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside? Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [al-Baqarah 2:100].

Moreover, if the Muslims agreed to live in peace with the Jews, who would be in charge? One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over. One of the conditions for People of the Book (Jews and Christians) living with Muslims in a Muslim country is that they should live under certain conditions (shuroot ahl al-dhimmah) in return for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims. One of the most important of these conditions is that they should not openly display their shirk and kufr (polytheistic disbelief) in the Muslim lands, whether by word or deed.

As the Muslims and Jews are enemies residing in opposing religious and doctrinal camps, it is not possible for them to be brought together unless one is made to submit to the other by force. Indeed, the Jews now are not allowing the Muslims to remain in their homes, even if there was no provocative action on the part of the Muslims; they are seizing the Muslims’ property by force, building their settlements on the Muslims’ lands and expelling the Muslims by any means. They have expelled millions to the neighbouring countries, which have accommodated them in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps.

Finally, although the Muslims nowadays are in a position of weakness and humiliation – because they have turned away from their religion – and are unable to fight the Jews, take back their stolen lands and impose the rule of Islamic sharee’ah in Palestine, this does not mean that this will always be the case until the end of the world. Things have to change, and one of the indications of this is the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who informed us of some things that are to happen in the future. He was supported by Revelation from his Lord; he did not speak of his own whims and desires, but of that which was revealed to him. He said:

“You will fight the Jews and will prevail over them, so that a rock will say, ‘O Muslim! There is Jew behind me, kill him!’” (Reported by Muslim, 2921; al-Bukhaari, 2926).

According to a report narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Reported by Muslim, 2922).

I didn't call for a religious war. You are misreading me completely. I was saying that if G-d insists that the nations must war prior to the revelation of Moshiach, so be it. Do not mix me with these people. Try and do a search on the many comments I have made on FR, and you will see that I have never called for a holy war, EVER. Although if the US does indeed aim to extirpate the evil ones from the world, I would call that a very HOLY WAR! Andjust so that you get to read this message I will also send it through Freepmail.

Muslim Turks may have accepted some Jews after the reconquest of Spain from the Muslims (for their own benefit) but it didn't take too long for them to butcher millions of Christians living in Asia Minor and the Balkans for a thousand years.

Still hoping that Turkey lead the Islamic world into a new era of peace,prosperity, and religious liberty. Its going to be a tough job ,but someone has got to do it.

Are you serious about ebay? Did 2 Pakistanis invent ebay while living under the social, economic and "religious" constraints of Pakistan or while living here? Besides, 2 Pakistanis don't a culture make.

My sister who is a specialist in middle eastern affairs told me about ebay. I believe it was here in the US. I tried and tried to search on Google and find out more about it and can't find anything about the history of ebay or its development. If I find out more, I'll try to let you know.

As to being stabbed in the back, I'm not going to worry about it. I don't even know any muslims.

The only muslim I ever knew or knew was a muslim who had the most beautiful coat I ever saw. It was white sheepskin. How I coveted that coat! Better mind my own sins, no?

"First I was supposed to hate the Japanese. Then I was supposed to hate the Germans. Then I was supposed to hate the North Koreans. Then I was suppoosed to hate the Russians. Then I was supposed to hate the North Vietnamese and the Cubans . . . and the Central Americans . . . I'm tired of hating and fearing."

No,you were expected to recognize your enemy with your brain. Hate is from the heart. If your brain tells you that a person is coming to kill you, the brain may order the heart to hate him. The pacifist approach will not only get you killed but will endanger your neighbors too. If people are actively plotting to kill us, I want our government to act. You have terribly confused emotion with intellect. Very dangerous.

If you want to ignore Islam that is fine for yourself, but let others reveal the truth. Look at today's AP pictures from Lebanon. A mother smiling as she took a knife to the head of her 3 year old to bleed him. That is Islam. Blood is a major feature of their belief.

Well, then I am ignorant. I am working from memory of things I've read over the years.

They have beautiful architecture. Wasn't the Alhambra built by muslims? I saw a movie where there was an old house in the south built like the Alhambra. It had fallen into disrepair but was a gorgeous house. Can't remember the name of the movie. Can't remember the name of Salman Rushdie's book, either.

Christians used to be pretty hung up over blood, too. Read St. Catherin of Sienna. It's a big part of the Christian religion although in an entirely different context.

Just about everybody missed my point. If a Muslim read the bible, they could find things objectionable. What do they do when they get to the part where Jesus says if your right hand offends you to cut it off? Most of us know not to take that literally.

We went round and round on another discussion group where some Jews wanted the bible changed to expunge references to its portrayal of Jews in a negative light. Naturally I would object to that but also would I object to using the bible as an excuse to hate Jews. Likewise will I not use their Koran as an excuse to hate them.

Remember the Rabbi in the Zohar who said, Let the Meshiyakh come, but let me not live to see it.

Blessed is he who will live to see those days, but blessed is he who shall NOT live to see those days.

And rabbi S said to his son rabbi E, the first sign of Messiah shall be as when two travelers have crossed a long desert. What is the first sign they will see that they have crossed it, and are nearing a City?--Why, it is a cemetery, the great fields of tombs, on the edge of the city...

Dan 12: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great angel-prince (SAR) that stands for the children of they people (Israel). And there shall be a time of trouble such as there has never been, not since there WAS a nation.

OK, so the guy's a drooling idiot...........but he's a dangerous drooling idiot. It is he and his murderous, bloodthirsty ilk that are hell-bent (and Hell-sent, I submit) on killing all Jews and subjugating (or worse) all Christians.

The lines are clearly drawn. War with Christians and Jews arrayed against the Muslim world is unavoidable. We're just seeing the barest beginnings of it now.........but mark my words, that is EXACTLY what this "war on terrorism" will evolve into. It'll be ugly, but maybe.......just maybe.......Islam will finally be relegated to the dustbin of history where it belongs.

In fire and in blood will come the Redemption, and the Meshiyakh.

With respect, neither you nor I are the arbiter of whether or not the coming of the Messiah is nigh.

Zionism as defined by Theodor Herzl is religiously neutral.

Not only the Koran, listen to their preachers. Translations are available. You will not find Rabbis or Priests calling for the faithful to kill the non-believers, but their Imams do every Friday. Read the translations. They aren't hiding their beliefs, why should you hide from them? The only place where they obfuscate is in the US because they want to manipulate the fools and use our laws to our detriment.

"arbiter"???

I claimed I was controlling G-d's will? Something is rather strange in your thought process? The only affirmitave action that I think people can do to hasten the coming of Moshiach is to beg G-d for his coming, encourage others to turn their hearts to G-d, and to adhere to the laws of the Torah in a scupulous manner.

Herzl was both anti-religious, marxist, and an atheist.

We are way, way, beyond him. The Bible makes clear that the bloody Time of Trouble will leave only one-third of the world's previous population alive, and

that Tribulation is to last (some say) seven years...and some say a Generation...

and only then does Messiah come and usher in the fulness of redemption (geulah shelemah)...

Redbov is right. But not only the jihadies are using the koran to justify their crimes, also mohammed the prophet did. Read the hadith and info on this site:

mohammed and his personal enemies
islam and terrorism

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