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***Freeper Was Push Polled-Get over CFR-We are at war
Email sent to congressman Simmons | March 23, 2002 | VRWC_minion

Posted on 03/23/2002 4:34:33 AM PST by VRWC_minion

Mr Simmons,

This is to advise you about a push poll that was directed to me last night about 9pm in East Hampton. After establishing I was a likely voter, the oldest male and was a republican I was asked who I would vote for. After telling them the republican candidate most likely (because I don't know you because of redistricting) I was asked a series of questions which included (not exact wording) :

1. Simmons voted for 450 million in retro active tax benefits for Enron.

2. Simmons voted against school building.

3. Simmons voted against allowing us to sure HMO's and taking away benefits from elderly.

He then asked me would I still vote for Simmons. I told him his questions were based on flawed premises and that this was a push poll. I was surprised that he didn't tell me Simmons was an ax murderer but yes I will still vote for the ax murderer.

The contact person I was given for this poll is Amy Collier, 215-641-2200 ext 2247. I left her a message telling her the polling company was lower scum than Clinton.

I am angry about this call and am willing to offer whatever assistance I can to you in the upcoming election in East Hampton, please let me know what I can do to help.

Ray


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elections; pushpoll
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To: VA Advogado
I didn't say I gave any money to any organizations. I only said that that's how it's done. Besides, what difference does it make? You're the only smart one on this board, right? Prove it. Bet me that Lazio won't run.
101 posted on 03/23/2002 6:55:16 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
You are irrelevant.
102 posted on 03/23/2002 6:59:04 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: ModernDayCato
I didn't say I gave any money to any organizations. I only said that that's how it's done. Besides, what difference does it make?

You said you gave soft money to Lazio. You then proceeded to say you give soft money by contributing to a national party organization that funnels it to the candidate, or you give it to an outside organization that runs ads for the candidate. Then you said you didnt give any money to 'any organization'.

The difference is between you telling the truth or being outted as a compulsive liar.

103 posted on 03/23/2002 6:59:16 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado
Sorry FUD. That doesn't cut it.

That's alright with me, because the inteligent posters here see right through you.

And the childish attempts at making fun of a poster's name only shows how bad your position is.

104 posted on 03/23/2002 6:59:35 AM PST by fod
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To: Ben Ficklin
You are irrelevant.

I could only wish I was as efficient with my words as you are with yours. You make perhaps the most important point on this thread.

105 posted on 03/23/2002 7:00:29 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Ben Ficklin
Ah...a cogent, factual rebuttal of the facts. Friend of AVs?
106 posted on 03/23/2002 7:01:35 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: fod
That's alright with me, because the inteligent posters here see right through you.

I've seen about 3 or 4 on this thread. The others are from your side of the tracks.

107 posted on 03/23/2002 7:01:40 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado
"ModernDayCato already is campaigning for Hillary. With that attitude, you might as well consider him her houseboy. Pathetic libertine"

Well said. That's why Hillary is inflicting herself on us through the Senate right now.

108 posted on 03/23/2002 7:05:01 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Ben Ficklin
You are irrelevant.

Why is that the "irrelevants" become so much more relevant around election time?

Take us Libertarians, we don't, count or matter, but we are blamed for so much.

I wish you guys would make up your mind.

109 posted on 03/23/2002 7:06:15 AM PST by fod
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To: VA Advogado
That's fine, I come from the good side of the tracks.

Pretty much settles where you come from.

110 posted on 03/23/2002 7:07:55 AM PST by fod
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To: VA Advogado
Tell you what. You keep slithering around my bet with red herrings. Let's make it 2 grand. If I can't prove my soft money claim I'll give you another two grand. If I can, you owe me four grand. Otherwise, please, shut the f--k up.

The following organizations gave soft money to Lazio. These are only a couple, because I got bored. There are almost a hundred.

NEW YORK REPUBLICAN FEDERAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
NEW YORK STATE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE - RNC
CAPITOL HILL PRAYER ALERT COMMITTEE ELECTION FUND (CHPAC ELECTION FUND)
21ST CENTURY REPUBLICAN VICTORY FUND
5TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT REPUBLICAN CLUB

111 posted on 03/23/2002 7:10:08 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: cake_crumb
I offer the same bet to you, or anyone else. Talk is cheap. Put your money where your mouth is.
112 posted on 03/23/2002 7:13:10 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: Kevin Curry
"A.k.a. libertarians. Self-obsessed fools who believe we can harbor dope, sodomy, gay marriage and other vile cancers and remain a free and healthy society. They are the socialists' 'Useful Idiot Brigade.' "

That is SOOOOOO absolutely well said!

BUMP!!

(good thing I spit my coffee out on my leg instead of the keyboard...)

113 posted on 03/23/2002 7:14:44 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
That is SOOOOOO absolutely well said!

If you knew me, or any other libertarian that I know, you would realize kevin is lying.

114 posted on 03/23/2002 7:17:40 AM PST by fod
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To: ModernDayCato
"The following organizations gave soft money to Lazio."

So that makes him a criminal? All politicians took soft mony contributions, INCLUDING Libertarians. Are you one of the people who advocated voting for the Shredder in Chief (Hillary "I made a mistake, my accountant made a mistake" Clinton) because you didn't like Lazio? Yeah, we get lots of people like you here at FR.

115 posted on 03/23/2002 7:20:10 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

NO NO NO, I'm not saying he's a criminal. I'm just refuting what Junior said about soft money. Jeez...I LOVE soft money.

116 posted on 03/23/2002 7:23:25 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: fod
"If you knew me, or any other libertarian that I know, you would realize kevin is lying"

I already know a lot of both "Libertarians" and the "libertarians". That is why I agree with keven's soooooo well said comment.

117 posted on 03/23/2002 7:24:09 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: ModernDayCato
Actually, I was just commenting on the way you describe yourself/your position. It is you, and only you, who make yourself irrelevant.
118 posted on 03/23/2002 7:25:48 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: VA Advogado
The manager had two names they were expecting. Courtney was one of them.
119 posted on 03/23/2002 7:30:27 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
>>>>So, anyone have advise on how to fight back on a push poll ?

Definitely sounds like a push poll to me. Its a bit early for these normally, but then again people will experiment with new things to see how they work. Getting people angry at Simmons early may level out early poll numbers, making the Dem. look more attractive and making it easier for him to raise funds.

As to how to fight back? Keep the pollster on the line as long as possible. Sounds like you may have done some of that. Keep them busy. If they spend 30 minutes on the phone with you, that is 15 fewer people they can call.

patent (patented's spouse)

120 posted on 03/23/2002 7:31:20 AM PST by patented
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