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Darkness by design for amnesty move
washingtontimes.com ^ | March 17,2002 | Georgie Anne Geyer

Posted on 03/17/2002 10:21:18 AM PST by healey22

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:38:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: RnMomof7
I think it's both parties in all honesty.
61 posted on 03/18/2002 8:41:07 PM PST by MadRobotArtist
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To: MadRobotArtist
There is only one pary that has the presidentail veto..if it were Clinton we would have held his feet to the fire..Nope this is a Republican problem..and if it goes sour do not think that the dems will not use it!
62 posted on 03/18/2002 8:52:33 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Even if we build a 20-foot wall across the border and post soldiers every few miles -- which would be prohibitively expensive - some illegals would still find ways to get through.

The mine fields would slow down those who are missing body parts.

Instead we could simply limit welfare to U.S. citizens or permanent residents. That would greatly reduce government welfare spending, which means smaller government while removing the incentive for aliens seeking welfare to enter the country illegally.

Looks good, but as with my solution, it will never happen unless Pat Buchanan or his ideological twin become president.

63 posted on 03/18/2002 10:09:28 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: Victoria Delsoul;Sabertooth
"Sweetie, flag me when there is less insults and name-calling on these threads...it's hard to read insult after insult from people who I once thought were educated and civilized. OK, Darling?"

Gee, I hate to get in the middle of this, ahem, "personal" conversation, but, shall we assume the peasants and Neanderthals are permitted to exhibit passionate displeasure on the principles of this particular issue with Her Highness?

64 posted on 03/18/2002 10:35:29 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: MadRobotArtist
Amen to everything you said. We are all riding on a runaway train that will see the end of the world as we know it, and well within our lifetimes. The United States of America is not the only nation whose population is screaming against floods of unwanted immigrants. It is happening all over the world. The citizens protest, and the leaders ignore them.

Ask yourself a few simple questions: Did Bush not realize he would compromise millions of votes with his position on amnesty? If he knew he would be losing millions of votes, why doesn't he care? And since he does not care about the American vote, just what does he have to gain by his villification of the American people? And these questions apply to all who voted for this amnesty; for all who even considered *any* kind of amnesty for more than a New York minute. In short, what makes them all believe they have so much power that they can spit in the eye of American citizens and get away with it?

The last time I checked I believe the United States of America was considered something of a world power and a world leader in most arenas. The New World Order is rapidly becoming our reality. There even seems to be a rush on behalf of Mr. Bush to bring it to fruition. Considering that the United States is supposedly leading the charge, we are rapidly approaching the desired goal of being the first nation in history to dissolve its borders and have no national boundaries of any kind. It will be a free for all. We will be the first. We will set the example. We are all stinking lab rats in some mad scientists (Mr. Bush) crazy experiment. Although, to be fair, it is not entirely his fault. This deception and corruption has been ongoing for at least 40 years. None of the dictators running this country, nor the ones running other countries, have asked their populace about their opinions on the New World Order plans. *Some democracy we have!* And we have sold this propaganda to the rest of the world???? We fought wars and died to promote the type of government that will sell its citizens up the river into slavery, or worse???? How can we point fingers at Saddam Hussein when our own leader behaves not much differently????

Sorry. I just get really upset about this immigration bull and the idea that we might even remotely have responsibility for spreading this New World Order garbage. Get the duct tape before my head explodes.

I cannot believe the American people are going to stand idly by and watch this happen. Maybe I should rephrase that: I don't *want* to believe I am going to see the American people stand idly by and watch this happen. Any of it. From soup to nuts; corrupt politics, immigration, people knocking buildings down, more criminals on the streets than citizens, the whole ball of wax!

I am deeply concerned that the demonstration by our leaders that they do not care for American votes should be sending us a signal that we just might not make it to the next vote, or that if we did it really would not matter. The damage will be done before Bush is out of office; and even if he was by some miracle removed from office, the next puppet is waiting in line to take his place.

I believe the United States of America does have a golden opportunity to be a world leader right now. But not exactly in the direction our current government - elephants and jackasses alike - intend to take it. Our founding fathers gave us the roadmap of how a government such as we currently have in place should be handled. It is called the Declaration of Independence. Granted, the government revolted against in the original Declaration of Independence only had one head, King George. What we have more closely resembles Medussa.

I think we can still pull our bacon out of the fire, but we had better do it quickly if we are going to survive as a nation. By doing so we would have more impact on the rest of the world in the promotion of democracy and freedom than any previous efforts combined. We would be doing more than just supporting the ideal. We would be reestablishing the reality in our own country, reaffirming what our nation was really founded on, reassuring people around the world that if the Yanks can do it, so can they. What better example could we really offer to the world than reclaiming control of our government, our country, and our destiny?

Yes, I do believe we have before us a golden opportunity. We have a chance to literally save the world from disasters as yet unimaginable. And a fleeting opportunity it is. It makes my blood run cold to think I might actually live to see the end of my United States of America, land of the free and home of the brave. God, Bless America, please. Let her freedom ring again.

65 posted on 03/19/2002 12:38:48 AM PST by LettzRoll
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To: F16Fighter; Sabertooth
...shall we assume the peasants and Neanderthals are permitted to exhibit passionate displeasure on the principles of this particular issue with Her Highness?

By all means. Her Majesty's lowly subjects are encouraged to express their displeasure with Her royal pronouncements. Your heartfelt opinions might produce a memorable speech on the occasion of your beheading.


66 posted on 03/19/2002 7:20:43 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Her Majesty's lowly subjects are encouraged to express their displeasure with Her royal pronouncements. Your heartfelt opinions might produce a memorable speech on the occasion of your beheading.

Heh!

I hope I'm not cut short.




67 posted on 03/19/2002 7:23:58 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
You will not be, my dear.

If you behave properly.

68 posted on 03/19/2002 7:36:05 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
"Her Majesty's lowly subjects are encouraged to express their displeasure with Her royal pronouncements. Your heartfelt opinions might produce a memorable speech on the occassion of your beheading."

LOL...

(Grunt, gurgle, mumble) Grog have only one thing to say before before demise: "FREE---DOM!!!"

69 posted on 03/19/2002 7:38:40 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: healey22
I just got back from the grocery store and iceberg lettuce is $2.69 a head and Romaine is $2.99 a head. I guess having slave labor is not keeping down the cost of produce after all.

That's right. The whole idea is to increase profits, not drive down prices for consumers. I hope you don't think businessmen care about everyone else that much. They are just out to make money like everyone else. Prices are determined by supply and demand, not what some traitor paid for 3rd world labor. The long term cost of all this is much more than we can afford. Young kids will never learn the value of an honest day's hard labor. Apprenticeships disappear. Your job disappears, so you train for a new one, which the gov't ships overseas as well. Pretty soon, the only thing left is whoring yourself out, or incorporating yourself so you can at least cheat on taxes like everyone else.

70 posted on 03/19/2002 8:15:28 AM PST by sixmil
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To: sixmil
It's amazing how a head of Iceberg lettuce costs 2.69, and yet you can buy 2 Big Macs from Mcdonalds for 2 bucks. Don't you see the raging disparity here? The system wants you to eat fast food. It's cheaper for you to eat at a restraunt, than cook the food yourself with prices like those. Pretty soon we will be totally dependent on corporations. Which is what the direction of America is right now. Corporate America, as opposed to America governed by it's citizenry. When a corporation has more power over government, than the voting populus, there is a huge problem.

My biggest complaint is going to Sam's Club, buying a couple hundred dollars worth of nutritious food, as opposed to junk food, and not having much to show for it. Yet, the same money spent, would keep me and my wife in fast food for three weeks.

71 posted on 03/19/2002 9:18:47 AM PST by MadRobotArtist
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To: browardchad
>>Your slip is showing (the one with the pretty pink anti-war fringe).

Being anti-war is queer?

72 posted on 03/20/2002 1:52:15 AM PST by ak47fred
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To: Old Hickory
Bush or Gore... it didn't matter. Nader didn't back out so we got Bush. Gore would have done it all the same way... but with less concern for the bible-thumpers (Christian coalition) because that's not his base.

Actually, I would have preferred Gore. At least we'd know where we stand and the so-called 'conservatives' might be showing some backbone rather than sucking up to a statist.

73 posted on 03/20/2002 1:59:56 AM PST by ak47fred
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To: healey22
BTTT!!!
74 posted on 03/20/2002 2:55:37 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: timestax
BTTT!
75 posted on 03/20/2002 3:18:59 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: healey22
BTTT
76 posted on 03/21/2002 3:27:32 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Askel5
Jorge W. Bush sure is a secretive type of guy.
77 posted on 03/21/2002 3:59:12 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Sabertooth; DoughtyOne
The real racists

Damaged by diversity

Diversity Diversity II

In February a crowd at the Los Angeles Coliseum that was 90 percent Mexican-American watched a soccer game between the national teams of the United States and Mexico. Any questions about divided loyalties were laid to rest when the crowd whistled and jeered during the U.S. national anthem. The stadium was so adorned with Mexican flags, that even the L.A. Times noted, “it's safe to say the stadium hasn't witnessed such a showing of national fervor since the 1984 Olympics.” The U.S. team lost 1-0 on a late goal by the Mexicans. In appreciation for a close, well played match, the fans pelted the U.S. players with beer cans, soda, food, and plastic bottles as they left the field. “It seemed like we were playing in Mexico City,” said one U.S. player, “but they treated us better there than they did here.” (Ted Leonard, Shower of Abuse from Mexico's Fans Adds Insult to U.S. Defeat, L.A. Times, February 16, 1998.)

On February 15th, a huge crowd of Mexican-“Americans” attending a soccer game in Los Angeles between the Mexican and U.S. national teams booed and hooted during the national anthem and pelted the American players with trash (see AR, April, 1998). When reporters later asked Mexican Consul General Pescador Osuna what he thought about this show of disrespect he offered a simple solution: stop playing “The Star Spangled Banner” at soccer games. (Georgie Ann Geyer, Dual Nationality Undertow, Washington Times, April 18, 1998.)


A Preview of the Coming Third World Takeover of America

The Nationalist Times
by Ruth Coffey
March 1998

For more than 13 years I have tried to find the words to describe what the lives of American citizens (and in particular white Americans) would be like under ethnic dictatorship. Time after time I've reached down deep inside myself to find the words that would stir my fellow countrymen to revolt before such a tragedy becomes an irreversible reality.

Over the years, I have predicted that unless the out-of-control Third World immigration responsible for inundating our country with non-White aliens, both legal and illegal, was halted via a moratorium on all immigration and our borders and other entry points sealed militarily against invasion, that one day Americans would be literally spit on by those invaders and their "home-grown" collaborators. Those predictions were fulfilled at the Los Angeles Coliseum on February 15, 1998, at the Gold Cup championship soccer game between Mexico and the United States. At this "game," 90,000-plus screaming Mexicans vilified our country be setting off blaring horns and waving Mexican flags while the U.S. national anthem was played. At this "sports event," played in the U.S., American players had saliva running down their faces and their bodies covered with garbage hurled at them during and even after the game.

Can you imagine what the reaction to this unprecedented display of hatred and contempt for members of a sports team and their national anthem would have been, if the spitting, garbage-hurlers were white Americans and the opposing team's players were Mexicans? From past experience with these subcultures, we don't have to conjecture . . . we know beyond a doubt that the "offended ethnics" would have gone on a rampage. And the "guilty" white fans would have been rounded up, charged with various "hate crimes" and sentenced to prison terms.

One thing is for certain, if the situation had been reversed, members of the media wouldn't have dared to justify the barbaric behavior of American "fans," as they did in the aftermath of the debacle at the Gold Cup soccer championship. Following are excerpts from two journalists. The first one is written by an obvious latino named Sergio Munoz, who is addressing Alexi Lalas, the best known American soccer player:

"Let's not get carried away and turn a soccer rivalry into a serious issue. Remember that it was not too long ago that Honduras and El Salvador passed from a mutual recrimination into a full-fledged war over a soccer match.

"But relax, Alexi. Don't exaggerate! Yes, I agree it must be uncomfortable to feel like a pilgrim in your own land. Yes, it must feel awkward for the national team to be forced to travel to Boston to find a less hostile group of fans when you are playing against Mexico. I wouldn't feel too safe, though, if you were playing the Irish national team there.

"But if you feel like blaming someone, don't blame the Mexicans. Try blaming the U.S. fans because they are the ones who don't show up to make the stadium feel even.

"When you wonder aloud whether the people who booed you and the U.S. team realize that 'tomorrow morning all of those people are going to get up and work in the United States and live in the United States and have all the benefits of living in the United States,' as you were quoted in this newspaper, you have gone too far. For heaven's sake, Alexi, this is just a game!

"The problem with taking a game so seriously is that you drift into a dangerous zone. The current agenda between Mexico and the United States is complicated enough with issues like immigration, drug trafficking and the most intense trade relation [sic] ever. Let's not add futbol.

"The xenophobic, nativist, protectionist and isolationist undercurrents that are alive and well in California should not be inflamed with anti-Mexican rhetoric because of a soccer game. Let's keep things in their right proportion."

Or how about the comments of a supposedly American sports writer who prefaced his column in the Long Beach Press Telegram by saying, "There was no excuse for such behavior," and then proceeded to make a case for the Mexicans that would put Clarence Darrow to shame. He also addresses his remarks to Alexi Lalas in response to Lalas' righteous anger over such uncivilized behavior on the part of Mexican "fans": "

Before stepping foot into enemy territory on Sunday, the United States top soccer team knew what it was getting into. The Yanks had been here before: a guest in their own home, outnumbered and under siege, and they had no problem with that. Americans watching the match on television, or watching the highlights (or lowlights) on the TV screens, were repulsed by scenes of projectiles --- full cups of beer, water balloons (filled with God knows what), oranges and lemons --- streaming down on the U.S. players when they were near the sidelines or when they took throw-ins or corner kicks. Some wondered why the referee, Ramesh Ramdhan of Trinidad & Tobago, allowed the match to proceed under such circumstances, and why those tossing fruit and garbage at the players weren't tossed out of the stadium.

"I have witnessed similar behavior at many matches, some involving Mexicans, some not --- and at least it wasn't feces or bags of urine raining down from above, as has notoriously occurred in Central America. But there's never an excuse for jeering another's national anthem or for pelting a team with garbage as it leaves the field.

"Many of the Mexicans in the Coliseum --- or their parents --- have come to America in search of a better life, and what many of them have found is hardship. Many have experienced racism; many have found themselves regarded as second-class citizens. So when the Tricolor arrives to play the Americans, it provides them a chance to express pride in their heritage and lash out at representatives of what they see as their oppressors.

"It used to be easy for them. Show up at the stadium, watch their team hammer the Americans and go home feeling good about themselves. But the United States' emergence as a soccer power, and its success against the Mexican team, has changed all that. The frustrations many Mexicans feel has led to the behavior we witnessed on Sunday."

Space doesn't permit listing all of the sickening justifications used by American journalists in defense of the disgusting exhibition witnessed at the soccer match. But since more than one referred to the behavior of Oakland Raider football fans as a way of equating it with what occurred at the infamous soccer game, it was interesting to note that most of them neglected to point out that unlike the Mexican thugs, the Oakland fans were arrested and/or thrown out of the ballpark.

Neither was any mention made of a World Series game in 1990 between the Oakland Athletics and Cincinnati Reds, when the game was stopped and the Reds left the field in protest of similar behavior as that of the "patriotic Mexicans." Only when Oakland officials announced that the game would be forfeited if rowdies didn't stop the abuse of the players, was the game permitted to continue without further incident.

Certainly no official attempted to stop the Mexicans from drowning out our national anthem or covering the U.S. team with garbage. Why not? Were they making a "cultural statement"? A statement that can't be repeated here? Think about the fact that the screaming "fans" who refused to allow the playing of America's national anthem in an American sports arena, for the most part claim to be native born Americans or naturalized citizens themselves. With "Americans" like these God help America's loyal citizens when they outnumber us.

If indeed one televised picture is worth a thousand words, then Americans had best heed them for that "picture" is a preview of their fate under the yoke of ethnic dictatorship.

78 posted on 03/21/2002 6:41:53 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
I know Uncle Bill. I have people tell me I'm a hater for addressing this issue as much as I do. Sadly they refuse to look at reality.
79 posted on 03/21/2002 8:02:20 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Keep on doing what you do. You're right, and have firsthand experience and knowledge about the issue. God bless.
80 posted on 03/21/2002 8:19:41 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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