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Darkness by design for amnesty move
washingtontimes.com ^ | March 17,2002 | Georgie Anne Geyer

Posted on 03/17/2002 10:21:18 AM PST by healey22

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:38:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: MadRobotArtist
If you think it's just the republicans doing all of this, you are sooooooo blind to the Democratic treachery. You probably think that Bill Clinton was the best president ever. I don't care if you do or don't take the lord's name in vain, if you are so blind to the truth, it makes no difference how pious you are, you're just another one of the duped masses.

Oh no that will not wash anymore!

There is now a Republican President that can veto bills

This amnesty bill was passed by ONE vote..I hold MY Republican Congressman Jack Kemp soley responsible for it (along with the President that pushed it through)

Nice try but you do not have the liar to push around any more..you are no longer a victim..you are now responsible!

41 posted on 03/17/2002 4:13:58 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Victoria Delsoul
There was a cost effective solution to the problem in California almost eloquent in it's simplicity.

It was offered and approved by an overwhelming majority of Californians.

No surprises here ...the solution was felt to be unconstitutional by a single judge.

That same solution ... no broad, tax supported saftey net for illegal aliens remains just as simple and just as economical today.

Those, such as yourself who point to immigrants as hard working, productive members of our society should have no objection to this solution. But then I suspect you will.

42 posted on 03/17/2002 4:17:37 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Nea Wood
Thanks for telling us what happened. I was hoping Tancredo would of hit that racebaiter over the head with a sledgehammer. I really like Tancredo. I am going to contribute to his campaign when and if he runs for re-election.
43 posted on 03/17/2002 4:18:45 PM PST by healey22
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To: umgud
Are you of the opinion that Pete Wilson lost an election in California? If so, which one?
44 posted on 03/17/2002 4:38:45 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Pelham
Nope....I was refering to the way Wilson is viewed and skewed by by the dem spin machine and their willing accomplices in the media. Lungren and Davis battled it out for the last governorship. BTW, I'm a huge Wilson fan. Bush just doesn't want to be painted as Wilson was. I'm not a huge Bush fan but do support him.
45 posted on 03/17/2002 6:31:41 PM PST by umgud
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To: umgud
BTTT - to keep this thread alive.

<#FF0000>Loose lips sink ships. - and make lousy kissers.

46 posted on 03/17/2002 7:01:45 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: Amerigomag
This has got to stop.

The only way to stop it is at the ballot box. Vote for candidates who oppose this and do not reward those who support it.

47 posted on 03/17/2002 7:10:20 PM PST by Keyes For President
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To: rightofrush; Amerigomag
My remedy? Bring back our troops from the Balkans station them on the border. Beef up and expand the INS. Mine the Mexican border. Put up guard towers. It's all a part of recognizing that there's a problem and dealing with it.

That sounds like a good idea, but you realize that it wouldn't be enough to stop illegal immigration. Even if we build a 20-foot wall across the border and post soldiers every few miles -- which would be prohibitively expensive - some illegals would still find ways to get through.

As long as the standard of living in Mexico is that of a third world country, we will always see desperately poor people trying to cross the border seeking work or welfare. A family on welfare in the U.S. enjoys a higher standard of living than millions of working poor in Mexico. Wouldn't you do the same thing in their situation?

We don't have an immigration problem with Canada because Canadians enjoy a reasonably good living standard of living. Also, Canadians who can't or don't want to work won't come here for welfare benefits since they're higher in Canada.

Your proposed solution means more expenditures and bigger government and it will not completely eliminate the problem. Instead we could simply limit welfare to U.S. citizens or permanent residents. That would greatly reduce government welfare spending, which means smaller government while removing the incentive for aliens seeking welfare to enter the country illegally. We'd still get illegal aliens coming here to work, but those aliens add to our economy by providing a valuable commodity (labor) at a lower cost than American employees would accept. OTOH, the illegal aliens who contribute nothing to our economy would no longer have an incentive to drain our welfare rolls.

48 posted on 03/17/2002 7:37:19 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: father_elijah
he's walking down Democratic Avenue tossing out prizes and favors to the wrong crowd.

No argument there...buddy. I'd add that Republican Avenue is the same damn street, with nothing different but the sign. You'll find that at the end of his reign that Bush has sold out every principle you hold dear.

The checklist so far:
Bill of Rights - on the way out.
Open borders - on the way in.
National ID - here by 2004.
War - plenty of it.

49 posted on 03/17/2002 8:16:23 PM PST by ak47fred
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To: healey22
It's just flat out sickening, illegal aliens tooling around our nation without a care in the world!!And they get paid under the table, thus no taxes to pay. Then they send all or most of their money back to South America, then say they are so poor they need Federal, and State handouts!!Again, not a care in the world!! No wonder they always look so happy!!
50 posted on 03/17/2002 8:27:25 PM PST by timestax
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To: ak47fred
War - plenty of it.

Your slip is showing (the one with the pretty pink anti-war fringe).

51 posted on 03/18/2002 4:58:01 AM PST by browardchad
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To: RnMomof7
Uh.... Now hold on a second, you stated earlier that you thought that the Republicans are solely responsible for our country being sold down the river. Did you mean on this issue? Or all issues? Because frankly I still hold my representatives responsible for letting Clinton and company sell us out to the Chinese. If you honestly believe that I don't hold my representatives accountable, think again. I am fed up with our lack of leadership that has a vested interest in the common good, or have the spine to stand up for America. This is our country, not theirs, yet they seem to own it, and can buy and sell sovereignty at a whim.

I can blame Clinton for a lot of things, just like I'm very angry at the Republicans. Both parties are corrupt beyond repair. Actually, they are the same party with the same agenda. Where were you when Clinton was getting impeached? Which side were you on? Did Clinton deserve to be impeached, or more importantly should he be prosecuted for treason? You see, your argument that says that the Republicans have sold us all out is not valid, since BOTH parties on this issue are selling us out. You don't see Bush handing over secrets to the Chinese for Campaign Funds do you? I am however seeing Bush kneel down before the leader of the future Aztlan state if he continues placating the Mexican government.

My mom told me to think before I speak. I know sometimes that people can forget to do so. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

52 posted on 03/18/2002 9:32:15 AM PST by MadRobotArtist
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To: MadRobotArtist
I was speaking of this amnesty bill...and the change in food stamps for the illegals..Have the pubbies become a One World Govermnment Party??I do not know..But this old Lady is watching
54 posted on 03/18/2002 10:16:28 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: thegreatbeast
The point being that all this has a cost, a cost unworrying to demorat & republican alike. Why?

I'm a slow learner, but it's finally become clear to me that there is only one political party in America. The Demopublicans and Republicrats are really two wings of the same global-socialism party. One wing is pro-business and one wing is anti-white, but both wings agree that America's unique culture and heritage must be destroyed in the name of cheap labor and more profits for the elites.

55 posted on 03/18/2002 4:22:36 PM PST by Arleigh
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To: Travis McGee
And I still just want a list from the federal govt of the other federal laws which "don't really count", and won't be enforced.

There are ten of them following the Constitution.

56 posted on 03/18/2002 5:00:18 PM PST by ridensm
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To: MadRobotArtist
You don't see Bush handing over secrets to the Chinese for Campaign Funds do you?

No one saw clinton do it either. It surfaced a bit later. What we have seen GW doing is things like this, campaign finance, threatening to use first strike nukes if we feel like it, increased spending, making ted kennedy happy on education, federalizing airports, bailing out on qualified judges he's nominated, creating an entirely new federal agency for our protection, saying OBL is now irrelevant as we push toward Iraq, etc, etc....It's late.

But we did get a few measly hundred bucks back and he is fighting the "war" well. I do love him, at least he's better than clinton.

57 posted on 03/18/2002 5:10:11 PM PST by ridensm
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To: RnMomof7
This amnesty bill was passed by ONE vote..I hold MY Republican Congressman Jack Kemp soley responsible for it (along with the President that pushed it through)

I believe you mean Jack QUINN, not Kemp. :-) In any event; don't let Quinn hog all the credit. Down my way, Van Hilleary SAT OUT on this vote last Tuesday night. He has been on the radio the past few days stating that, HAD HE BEEN PRESENT, he would have voted "NO". You were in Washington, Van...but not on the hill. Did anyone ASK you to 'miss' the vote last Tuesday, Van? Inquiring minds want to know...



58 posted on 03/18/2002 5:19:32 PM PST by who knows what evil?
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To: who knows what evil?
LOL yea we are a long way from Kemp LOL...It is Jack Quinn

Two Republican Jacks..and an aging brain (mine)

I hold Jack soley responsible..but you may hold your soley responsible too

59 posted on 03/18/2002 6:11:28 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ridensm
Good point.
60 posted on 03/18/2002 8:00:30 PM PST by Travis McGee
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