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Jesus, in the Shroud of Turin is truly a revelation
WHISTLEBLOWER MAGAZINE ^ | 3/12 | Wired

Posted on 03/15/2002 6:57:35 AM PST by OPS4

WHISTLEBLOWER MAGAZINE Evidence of the risen Christ? Special Easter report sheds new light on reputed burial cloths of Jesus

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: March 12, 2002 1:08 p.m. Eastern

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

The March edition of WND's acclaimed monthly magazine, Whistleblower concludes with an in-depth and stunning report on the Shroud of Turin – the 14-foot-long piece of linen believed by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus of Nazareth.

The most studied artifact in human history, the image of a crucified man mysteriously emblazoned upon it – in a way modern technology has been unable to duplicate – is breathtaking.

Experts – the gurus of science and medicine, the professors of history and art – cannot agree on the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin. Skeptics have tried, unsuccessfully, to recreate the image they insist is a “pious fake.” Most who reject the Shroud put their faith in the carbon-14 testing results that date the linen as from the 14th century. Others respond that the storage conditions over the years and at least one fire forestall any accurate dating using carbon-14 tests.

Believers point to the growing body of scientific and historical evidence that bolster the authenticity of the Shroud.

How, ask Shroud supporters, is it possible that a clever fake shroud could be made in the 1300s as a perfect photographic negative that would not be properly “seen” until modern photography was invented? And what of the incredible fact that the fabric areas on the Shroud where the image is contained are only one fiber deep? No paint or stain would remain on the top surface of the first layer of the fibrils.

And how was a fraudulent relic-monger to know the medical truths that recent medical science has just learned? The medical details of crucifixion are so complex that no modern artist has – and no medieval artist could have – duplicated the precise geometry of the body in extremis.

And most compelling, why has no copy been achieved, given the vast science and technology at our command?

Skeptics have a difficult time, say Shroud proponents, with the mounting scientific and historical corroboration that should force an open-minded investigator to reconsider his objections.

One historian of the Shroud mused, “Their refusal to believe the evidence is itself not a scientific attitude.” The real problem, claim Shroud supporters, is not that an ancient cloth that covered a crucified victim still exists after two thousand years. Said one researcher: “Do you think that if the ancient burial sheet of a sandal maker had been discovered with a scroll that read, ‘here lies Benjamin the Sandal Maker,’ that the scientific world fall all over itself to prove that it could not be Benjamin the Sandal Maker?”

“No. They only compromise their scientific witness because the peculiarities of the wounds of this victim reveal him to be no sandal maker, but the Son of God. If they could, they would get rid of all the physical evidence of Christianity – that Jesus lived, died and was buried. And then Christians would have nothing to believe in. Then, after two thousand years, Christians would finally die out.”

The March edition of Whistleblower is dedicated to the rampant persecution of Christians in today's world. But in honor of Easter, WND's editors included this special section on the Shroud of Turin. Titled "The first Christian martyr," this eye-opening report on the Shroud – as well as the lesser known Sudarium of Oveido, believed to be the face-cloth of the entombed Jesus – begins with the reactions of visitors who view the Shroud in person:

“You look at it and you cannot escape it: His body was horribly, horribly wounded. I choked up,” said one visitor to the millennium Shroud of Turin exhibit.

Another viewer summed up his experience, “I realized that this image is a message that was left for us. The resurrection truly happened. The man they tried to extinguish, lives. And we will too, no matter what the world tries to do to us, we will rise again with Him.”

Whistleblower's special report by Mary Jo Anderson includes five remarkable, high-quality photographs taken by Barrie M. Schwortz, a member of the historic 1978 scientific team that was allowed to examine the Shroud. One of them is the full-length negative of the Shroud that clearly reveals the detailed and deeply gripping image of a crucified man.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ascendedlord; jesus; miracles; shroudofturin
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To: Nam Vet
The shroud is unimportant. Jesus said so himself:

John 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

101 posted on 03/15/2002 10:09:21 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: farmfriend
These 'instructions' for making such a photographic image sound interesting, but I thought they performed some chemical analysis on the cloth. Wouldn't the tea, etc. show up?
102 posted on 03/15/2002 10:12:38 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: weikel
You are wrong. The Shroud of Turin contains so many minute details that would not have been known to any forger. Any picture of the crucifixtion from the 14th century, and Jesus was crucified through the hands, but we now know, that that would be impossible, the marks on the Shroud of Turin are through the wrists. Pollen was found on the Shroud of Turin that can only be found in Galilee and the surronding area. Over the eyes are two coins, Roman coins, a forger of the 14th century would not have known that peculiarity of burial customs, much less picked two Roman coins of the correct time period. All the evidence of the Shroud point to it being real and genuine, those who seek to disprove that again and again are merely those who have a personal war against Christianity itself.

God Bless
103 posted on 03/15/2002 10:13:00 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat
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To: farmfriend
Never mind. I just realized you meant 'tea' made of the burial spices, not regular tea. LOL
104 posted on 03/15/2002 10:13:56 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: farmfriend
Actually, using the process you describe with the material which the shroud is made of would not create an image which sits on top of (rather than being absorbed throughout) the fibers.

You describe a dampened or moistened fabric, made wet so that it would mold to the shape of the bass-relief object you're trying to duplicate the image of.

Once dampened, the capillary action of the moistened fibers in the fabric would cause the applied spice-solution to be absorbed throughout the material.

Your debunker was "all wet."

105 posted on 03/15/2002 10:17:11 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: NWU Army ROTC
It did have marks through the wrist... interesting yes in the Middle Ages they did not know what the Romans knew( during a crucifixtion the hands will not support the weight of the body). Thats a very good point im almost convinced its real now.
106 posted on 03/15/2002 10:17:18 AM PST by weikel
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To: farmfriend
If that were the method used, wouldn't the solution or spices be visible, under magnification, between the fibers of the shroud?
107 posted on 03/15/2002 10:21:09 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: weikel
Not long ago you posted that you had recently left your teens.
108 posted on 03/15/2002 10:25:52 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: weikel
" Im not a dogmatic skeptic I can be "tinfoil" if I believe the evidence supports it. For instance I don't think the Todd Beamer passenger revolt happened I believe that plane was shot down. "

Is that statement supposed to ADD to your credibility here?

109 posted on 03/15/2002 10:28:17 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: ZULU
You're thinking of Leoncio A. Garza-Valdes. Dr. Garza is a pediatrician from San Antonio, and an archaeologist noted for expertise in pre-Columbian artifacts. Here is a helpful article about his work concerning the shroud.
110 posted on 03/15/2002 10:30:06 AM PST by Moosilauke
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To: Republic of Texas
I didn't really think about it.
111 posted on 03/15/2002 10:31:50 AM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
Clever you. Look, today is the Ides of March. More people witnessed the Crucifixtion of Jesus than the murder of Julius Caesar. I'll guess that you haven't posted on any site today concerning the death of Caesar nor suggested that anyone who believes Caesar was stabbed by Brutus is, you know, just a little feeble.

Why is it so important to you to disprove how a Jewish carpenter from Nazareth died but not how the Emperor of all the known world died?

If I may suggest an answer: while the lack of a particular religious relic doesn't disprove the divinity of Christ, the authenticiy of this relic does disprove secular humanism.

112 posted on 03/15/2002 10:32:25 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Gargantua;SMEDLEYBUTLER
You had to moisten the fabric to get it to go into all the nooks and crannies. The fabric is dry when you apply the spice mixture. And no, under magnification the image was sitting on top of the fibers just like the shroud.
113 posted on 03/15/2002 10:34:15 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: Mr. Lucky
I know that if this relic is a fake it doesn't disprove the bible since the bible made no mention of it( that I know of anyway).
114 posted on 03/15/2002 10:34:35 AM PST by weikel
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Good points. Isn't it interesting how all the "scientific" skeptics resort to the lamest arguments ("it must have been painted by a forger") while the "gullible" believers have all the latest science at hand to demolish these skeptical arguments? Scientific method doesn't seem to count for much with many of our friends when the facts don't support their preconceived beliefs!
115 posted on 03/15/2002 10:36:42 AM PST by Moosilauke
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To: ZULU
But the anatomical and forensic accuracy of the image is totally beyond the capabilities of the most intelligent and well-read fraud of that period.

The pollen evidence alone would lead one to believe in the validity of the shroud. Also, the image and I believe, but could be wrong, the DNA from the blood matches the face cloth that has a better documented history than the shroud.

116 posted on 03/15/2002 10:37:38 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: OPS4
Author above is unaware of fairly common knowledge that the threads labeled "Holy Shroud" in the C-14 test were in fact taken from the cope of St Louis King of France. As a control, another sample in the series was actually labeled (correctly) as being from the same cope. Thus we find the sample labeled "shroud" not merely dated from the era of AD 1290/1300, but in fact duplicated all the individual idiosyncrasies of the fabric of the Cope.

The actual threads taken from the Shroud were labeled as belonging to mummy wrappings of "Cleopatra," not the queen of course, but a teenage girl of good birth who died in Egypt a generation or two after that famous queen, and whose exact burial date was given on her tombstone. Other Egyptian and ancient burial cloths were also sampled.

Among those was another sample labeled as being from "Cleopatra," but whose C-14 age and particular fabric characteristics differed sharply from the other so-called "Cleo" item, which was really the Shroud.

Again, think closely. Both the 1290 items were from one and the same garment, and that is what they showed. But the "Cleo" items though from the same century, could not have been from the same or even closely related textile origin, nor from exact same date, as each other...thus one was the Shroud, and we even know WHICH one.

Besides fear of thieves, vandalism, and terrorists, the Vatican feared that any claim that C-14 showed it to date to Jesus' day would cause an outpouring of hate and persecution against the church, and perhaps charges of fraud.

We therefore now have the ideal situation. Anyone who cares to know the truth can do so, but the church does not have to try to say it has proven a miracle, and by so saying cause further hatred and persecution of the Faith.

119 posted on 03/15/2002 10:49:25 AM PST by crystalk
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To: Moosilauke
Thanks for the reference. I read the book, which was quite interesting in its own right, some time ago, but couldn't recall the author's name.
120 posted on 03/15/2002 10:55:31 AM PST by ZULU
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