[Enemy Of The State]

Ping!

[Uncle Bill]

They're traitors.

[TomGuy]

Dang...that old saying "Politics makes strange bedfellows"...In this instance, I'm hoping Byrd succeeds on the Amnesty Bill. (At least my Rep voted NAY last evening.)

[VA Advogado]

Good job congress! We are still a melting pot!

[2Trievers]

What message does this send to all who enter legally and go through the process legit?

[Enemy Of The State]

Bush is pushing Congress to pass a Section 245(i) extension before he goes to Mexico on March 22. Section 245(i) is rolling amnesty. Mexico is demanding amnesty as part of its goal of occupation and conquest of parts of America.

 

WHAT IS Section 245(i)?
Section 245(i) would restore a provision allowing illegal aliens to pay the INS $1000 and remain in the country, subject to only a cursory U.S. police record check, before receiving green cards. If Section 245(i) is not revived, these illegal aliens will instead be required to return to their country of origin where their application for an immigration visa would be subject to a far more vigorous home country background investigation. The legal procedure for entering the U.S. involves a background check performed in the country of origin to ensure that the immigrant or visitor does not pose a security threat. These laws were put in place for the precise reason of protecting our homeland and preventing a national tragedy like September 11th.

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 53

(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

      H RES 365     2/3 YEA-AND-NAY     12-MAR-2002   6:58 PM
      QUESTION:          On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree
      BILL TITLE: Providing for the concurrence by the House with amendments in the amendment of the Senate to H.R. 1885.

 

	YEAS	NAYS	PRES	NV
REPUBLICAN	92	123		6
DEMOCRATIC	182	13		16
INDEPENDENT	1	1
TOTALS	275	137		22

 

--- YEAS    275 ---

Abercrombie	Hall (OH)	Olver
Ackerman	Harman	Osborne
Allen	Hart	Ose
Andrews	Hastings (FL)	Otter
Armey	Hastings (WA)	Owens
Baca	Hill	Oxley
Baird	Hinchey	Pallone
Baldacci	Hobson	Pascrell
Baldwin	Hoeffel	Pastor
Becerra	Holden	Paul
Berkley	Holt	Payne
Berman	Honda	Pelosi
Berry	Hooley	Petri
Biggert	Houghton	Phelps
Bishop	Hoyer	Pomeroy
Blumenauer	Hyde	Portman
Boehlert	Inslee	Price (NC)
Boehner	Israel	Pryce (OH)
Bonilla	Issa	Quinn
Bonior	Jackson (IL)	Radanovich
Bono	Jefferson	Rahall
Borski	John	Rangel
Boswell	Johnson (CT)	Regula
Boucher	Johnson (IL)	Reyes
Brady (PA)	Johnson, E. B.	Reynolds
Brown (FL)	Jones (OH)	Rivers
Brown (OH)	Kanjorski	Rodriguez
Buyer	Kelly	Roemer
Calvert	Kennedy (MN)	Rogers (KY)
Cannon	Kennedy (RI)	Ros-Lehtinen
Capps	Kildee	Ross
Capuano	Kilpatrick	Rothman
Cardin	Kind (WI)	Roybal-Allard
Carson (OK)	King (NY)	Rush
Castle	Kirk	Ryan (WI)
Chabot	Kleczka	Sabo
Clay	Knollenberg	Sanchez
Clayton	Kolbe	Sanders
Clyburn	Kucinich	Sandlin
Condit	LaFalce	Sawyer
Conyers	Lampson	Schakowsky
Costello	Langevin	Schiff
Cox	Lantos	Scott
Coyne	Larsen (WA)	Sensenbrenner
Cramer	Larson (CT)	Serrano
Crowley	Latham	Shaw
Cummings	LaTourette	Shays
Cunningham	Leach	Sherman
Davis (CA)	Lee	Simmons
Davis (FL)	Levin	Simpson
Davis, Tom	Lewis (CA)	Skeen
DeFazio	Lewis (GA)	Skelton
DeGette	Lofgren	Slaughter
Delahunt	Lucas (KY)	Smith (NJ)
DeLauro	Luther	Smith (TX)
DeLay	Lynch	Smith (WA)
Deutsch	Maloney (CT)	Snyder
Diaz-Balart	Maloney (NY)	Solis
Dicks	Markey	Souder
Dingell	Mascara	Spratt
Doggett	Matheson	Stark
Dooley	Matsui	Stenholm
Doyle	McCarthy (MO)	Strickland
Dreier	McCarthy (NY)	Sununu
Dunn	McCollum	Tanner
Edwards	McDermott	Tauscher
Ehlers	McGovern	Tauzin
Ehrlich	McHugh	Terry
Engel	McIntyre	Thomas
English	McKeon	Thompson (CA)
Etheridge	McKinney	Thornberry
Evans	McNulty	Tiahrt
Farr	Meehan	Tiberi
Fattah	Meek (FL)	Tierney
Filner	Meeks (NY)	Towns
Fletcher	Menendez	Turner
Foley	Millender-McDonald	Udall (CO)
Ford	Miller, George	Udall (NM)
Fossella	Mink	Velazquez
Frank	Mollohan	Walsh
Frost	Moore	Waters
Gephardt	Moran (VA)	Watkins (OK)
Gibbons	Morella	Watson (CA)
Gilchrest	Murtha	Watt (NC)
Gillmor	Nadler	Watts (OK)
Gilman	Napolitano	Waxman
Gonzalez	Nethercutt	Weller
Goss	Ney	Wilson (NM)
Green (TX)	Northup	Woolsey
Green (WI)	Nussle	Wu
Grucci	Oberstar	Wynn
Gutierrez	Obey

--- NAYS    137 ---

Aderholt	Goodlatte	Pitts
Akin	Gordon	Platts
Bachus	Graham	Pombo
Baker	Granger	Putnam
Ballenger	Graves	Ramstad
Barcia	Greenwood	Rehberg
Barr	Gutknecht	Riley
Bartlett	Hall (TX)	Rogers (MI)
Bass	Hansen	Rohrabacher
Bereuter	Hayes	Roukema
Bilirakis	Hayworth	Royce
Blunt	Hefley	Ryun (KS)
Boozman	Herger	Saxton
Boyd	Hilliard	Schaffer
Brady (TX)	Hoekstra	Schrock
Brown (SC)	Horn	Sessions
Bryant	Hostettler	Shadegg
Burr	Hulshof	Sherwood
Callahan	Hunter	Shimkus
Camp	Isakson	Shows
Cantor	Istook	Shuster
Capito	Jenkins	Smith (MI)
Chambliss	Jones (NC)	Stearns
Clement	Kaptur	Stump
Coble	Keller	Stupak
Collins	Kerns	Sullivan
Combest	Kingston	Tancredo
Cooksey	LaHood	Taylor (MS)
Crane	Lewis (KY)	Taylor (NC)
Crenshaw	Linder	Thune
Cubin	LoBiondo	Thurman
Culberson	Lucas (OK)	Toomey
Davis, Jo Ann	Manzullo	Upton
Deal	McCrery	Visclosky
DeMint	McInnis	Vitter
Duncan	Mica	Walden
Emerson	Miller, Dan	Wamp
Everett	Miller, Gary	Weldon (FL)
Ferguson	Miller, Jeff	Weldon (PA)
Flake	Moran (KS)	Whitfield
Forbes	Myrick	Wicker
Frelinghuysen	Norwood	Wilson (SC)
Gallegly	Pence	Wolf
Ganske	Peterson (MN)	Young (AK)
Gekas	Peterson (PA)	Young (FL)
Goode	Pickering

--- NOT VOTING    22 ---

Barrett	Eshoo	Ortiz
Barton	Hilleary	Sweeney
Bentsen	Hinojosa	Thompson (MS)
Blagojevich	Jackson-Lee (TX)	Traficant
Burton	Johnson, Sam	Weiner
Carson (IN)	Lipinski	Wexler
Davis (IL)	Lowey
Doolittle	Neal

[mo]

Folks this is a pure and simple business deal. We are short workers to support the baby boom 's retirement programs. Mexico, being Catholic has 70 million people under age 30. We've aborted about 40 million since 1973. It's purely and simply an issue of "you can't have your cake and eat it too". NOT to do this will cost the Western Hemisphere more in terms of the consequent social unrest on both countries than doing it.

[wku man]

Do not forget this between now and November! E-mail or write your Congress Critter and tell 'em what you think, and that you'll vote against them in November if they voted against you last night. My rep voted NAY on this criminal bill, so he'll be getting a thank you e-mail from me today. It's time to jerk chains, folks.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[Blood of Tyrants]

Face it, we're being screwed by both parties. I vowed over a month ago to never support another Demopub or Republicrat and I won't.

[Sabertooth]

Congratulations to Clinton and Gore.

[Sabertooth]

Bush Party Motto...

The Rule of Law:
We Pretend Louder

[JustAnAmerican]

<Prediction> In the Presidential election of 2004 a third party candidate will run under a platform of anti-illegal immigration, most likely choice will be Pat Buchanan. Thirty to fifty percent (conservative guess here) of both the Republican and Democratic party's voters will vote for this third party candidate (Might have been impossible pre 9-11, but talk to the people on the street now and see what kind of reaction you get). The end result, we will see our First(?) Third party President. The war on terrorism will not be paramount in voters minds because they will assume the next President will take up the gauntlet or face a massive outcry from the American People. This mid-term election cycle and the next will see a shakeup of people in both the House and Senate. Maybe not so much a shift in parties but a shift from a Yea voter on 245(I) to someone else.

</Prediction>

 

On another note, I will make it my crusade to see that the elected officials in my district, and any other district that I can, who voted Yea on 245(I) are not reelected. I will make sure to pass the word around about a candidates vote on this matter. The politicians may not think this little vote will come back to haunt them, but boy are they in for a rude awakening. America and Americans should always come before ANYONE else.

[angkor]

"It is not right to let families be victimized by, if you will pardon the expression, bureaucratic indifference or incompetence," Armey said. "That is not right and we don't believe that is the way it should be."

And here we see the extent to which even Republicans will lie when it comes to illegal aliens.

First, there is nothing in this bill which improves the operations of the INS, which is a completely overworked, underfunded, and (as a result) broken organization. The bill simply dumps another 600,000 illegal aliens into the dysfunctional INS, thereby hurting each and every legal immigrant who is in the system legally and by extreme and tedious effort.

Second, families are "victimized" (to quote Armey) because one or more members of the "family" are in the United States illegally. This is literally saying that the families of criminals are "victimized" because our judicial system exercises "bureaucratic indifference" by exercising the law.

[LoneGOPinCT]

What a sad joke. Essentially, "We know you broke the laws and side-stepped the process that all other immigrants who enter the U.S. legally need to abide by. Because of your uncanny ability to circumvent the system, we will reward you and spit in the face of those dumb enough to actually go through the process."

One of the arguments of the proponents is that if the illegals were returned to their own countries, they would probably not be granted Visas. Might that be a good reason to set the example? If you're not willing to jump through the hoops, you will be sent back and suffer the consequences.

[exmarine]

This is why I will not vote for Bush in the next election - he panders to the latino vote, but forgets about his conservative base. Bush is a one-world globalist, when he should be an American first. I despise globalists, the U.N., or any other org. that seeks to destroy the U.S. Constitution - and make no mistake - that is what they must do to usher in globalism, and the process is well underway. This conservative will vote for the Constitution Party next election. They are the only ones that that really want to follow the Constitution. Bush is not a true conservative - he backed Riordan, a flaming liberal in every respect, in the California Primary! Bush had better go after the Latino vote because many of us middle-aged conservative white guys won't vote for him.

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Already posted, with 400+ comments last night...

[Bigg Red]

I am just appalled by this. No one is a bigger supporter of the President than I am, but I am very angry with him for this one.

[rightwing2]

Well, after reading this article, the bill attached as it is to the Border Security bill is not as bad as it sounded since it extends 245i for only 8 and one half months. However, I am still hoping Senate President pro-tem Byrd kills it because when you give away a little principle here and a little there, eventually you end up losing it all including our free constitutional republic. We conservatives are all too well familiar with this game.

[Magnum44]

One word - Strategery!

I've held off judgement on this until more facts were revealed and now it appears that the bill is really the 'Border Security Bill', not the 'Amnesty Bill' the left would like us to believe. Yet another example of how the left and the media are trying to discourage/divide the conservative base. Yet another example of how we should be comforted that the new administration is really looking out for the interests of our nation and does not deserve the kneejerk rush to judgement/criticism it receives from many self proclaimed conservatives here. The only thing the left really got out of this was an brief extension of a (Clinton) policy that was already in place. And that policy actually helps us further define who the deserving immigrants are from the non-deserving. I don't like sending messages that circumventing the law has it's rewards, but this actually appears to be a winning proposition. Of course, if the Senate kills it, then the conservatives win as well.

Strategery!

[fivecatsandadog]

"It is not right to let families be victimized by, if you will pardon the expression, bureaucratic indifference or incompetence," Armey said. "That is not right and we don't believe that is the way it should be."

ah sheesh.... that warm and fuzzy feely thing again...
The immigration portion of the bill would extend a deadline for giving **hundreds of thousands** of illegal immigrants the chance to apply for residency without leaving the United States. Many of those immigrants are here on work visas that have expired, but they did not leave the country, officials said. **WHO is going to TRACK these people?
A reinstated program would only apply to illegal immigrants who can prove they are spouses or relatives of U.S. citizens, legal residents or employees sponsored by employers before Aug. 14. Question: How much time will they be given to provide proof? Answer: enough time to blend in, disappear, and contaminate our water supply.