Posted on 03/03/2002 1:14:39 AM PST by Gorons
Report: IAF jets bomb Ramallah targets
Israeli Air Forces F-16 jets are bombing Palestinian Authority police headquarters in Ramallah at this hour, according to Palestinian sources.
The sources also said helicopters fired rockets at offices adjacent to PA Chairman Yasser Arafat's compound.
Elsewhere, IDF tanks shelled the PA's General Intelligence Service headquarters in the West Bank village of Salfit earlier this morning, Israel Radio reported.
There are no reports of Palestinian casualties in either strike.
The shelling and air raid come in the wake of this morning's lethal shooting attacks on a civilian convoy and soldiers at an army roadblock near Salfit, as well as another deadly shooting attack in the Gaza Strip.
Nine Israelis were killed - seven soldiers and two civilians - and at least six are wounded after Palestinians opened fire at the roadblock, close to the Samaria community of Ofra.
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One Israeli was killed and four wounded, one light to moderately and three lightly, in the Gaza attack.
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Yup, for Muslims the Turks are mighty Christian. ;^)
OK, I should have confined the comment to post twentieth century. Nineteenth century rules simply do not apply, unless you are the Russians in Chechnya. As for the poster who pointed to Puerto Rico, we would like to either divest ourselves or give them statehood. But the Puerto Ricans themselves voted to maintain the status quo, so there has been no progress on that front. How many Palestinians in the occupied teritories would vote for the status quo if given the opportunity?
Does anybody but me notice that in all of these posts coming from fanatical Israelis, not once do they ever express gratitude for American support, nor regret for the aggravation their policies are bringing upon our society? No, it's always the other guy's fault. They've had 35 years to deal with this problem, and it's always the Palestinians who are to blame for all the problems. Today, Sharon in his arrogance said he is going to put an end to the terrorism. It must be that he is smarter than all of the Israeli leaders who came before him, because the track record is not encouraging.
I see no reason why we should continue pursuing a foreign policy that goes something like this: send the Israelis a blank check and trust that they will not ignite WWIII.
I wasn't referring to Arabs in Israel. I was referring to those in the occupied territories. But Israel's treatment of Arabs in Israel has not been entirely inclusive. At best, they have a "separate but equal" system that excludes Arabs in Israel from upward mobility and full participation in society. Nonetheless, I will acknowledge that the average Arab in Israel is better off than the average Arab living in Saudi Arabia, or most of the Arab world.
``We must educate our children on the love of holy war for the sake of God and the love of fighting for the sake of God,''
- Sheik Mohammed Ibrahim al-Madhi said in a mosque sermon broadcast on state-controlled Palestinian TV last month.
Islamic Jihad is running a summer school - to teach boys the benefits of becoming suicide bombers.
Was reading some Janes defence articles..and gleaned fragments from other sources.
Israel has quietly converted the MLRS missile launchers to handle Neutronic ordinance.
Israel has had significant numbers of nuclear artillery since the late 70's...at Dimona..they achieved a breakthrough with Neutronic ordinance..were able to build ordinance small..capable of being deployed as artillery...cruise missiles..mines..and air drop.
Neutronics wave emmissions destroy living cell structure..will passing through the inanimate.. leaving it intact.
There are several prophetic word plays which one suspects paint the picture of this technologies result.
You can read of it in Ezekiel..and Zechariah.
Most technology eventually see's the day of light...we may cringe at the thought..I suspect one day in my lifetime..Israel will use these Neutronic systems.
Some may say you are loosin it Light Speed..no way Israel has this stuff..or they would be using it right now.
They do folks..they have these assets and technologies...some in vast number now[Neutronics]..some are systems being sized down..to be fitted to ground movement assets...and aircraft.
Israel continues to achieve technical breakthroughs..others who moniter their progress are shocked to find that what was envisioned to be operable in say 10-20 yrs..is now working..and is being designed to fit multi theatre systems.
Arabs have lived by the terrorism ride..their meal of social choice..I suspect ..that one day they will reap the harvest of this path.
Zechariah:
"This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that have fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh will rot while they are standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets..and their tongues will rot in their mouths"
On that day men will be strichen by the Lord with great panic..each will seize the hand of another..they will attack each other"
He didn't think it would bring peace; he thought that it would bring a genuine crisis to his protege', Algore. Unfortunately, despite massive fraud, Gore still lost the election.
OK, its just a theory, but it isn't anywhere near outside the realm of Clinton politics.
Thank you...I'm praying for your safety. <><
I think this is a very good observation. The PLA also know this and would like to force Israel to jump in too early.
Because this is a free republic and the Islamics can post here too.
Most of it appears to be coming from posters based in Israel, attempting to drum up US support for yet more escalation of violence that is spiraling out of control.
US support would be nice, as in quit the political gesturing to have restraint to the Jews and saying nothing about the war crimes of terrorism. At least say have restraint to the Palestinians and say nothing to the Jews once and a while. Yes it is going to spiral out of control, because it takes only one side to start a war, but two sides to stop. Islam is on the war path in over a dozen countries right now including the US. Did our "restraint" stop 9-11 from happening? Why then will "restraint" by the Jews stop the next Pizza parlor bomb?
When in history has an ethnic minority been able to keep an ethnic majority under its control with weaponry and violence?
Jordan... An ethnic minority keeps the Palestinian ethnic Majority under control. Of course they use Aparthied, and prision, er, refugee camps...
But if you take together Israel and the occupied territories, the Jews are in the clear minority.
5 million Jews, 1.5 million Arabs? You have the figures backwards.
They will be a minority in Israel proper before very long.
That is what the Arabs say, that they will out produce the Jews in children. But the Arabs are blowing up their children, and the Jews are importing Jews. I think the Arabs smoke way too much hashish. Perhaps they should study math in school more and murder less?
Their position is clearly unsustainable, whether they have the moral high ground or not.
True, the current postion is unsustainable, but the PA is runing out of military positions, the IDF is stripping their weapons and the Arabs are cowards. Things cannot remain the same for long. If it was not for the EU pumping in Millions in aid every month Arafats Intifadda would have run out of gas last year.
No matter how "dedicated" the Islamics yell that they are, they stop fighting when the payroll stops. Look at the Taliban for example, they switch sides so fast nobody buys uniforms... Just change your turban to the guy with the last paycheck.
There is growing discontent in Israel about Sharon's handling of the war
Yes, from a majority of peace hopes during Oslo, to an overwhelming majority of Jews calling for Sharon to destroy the PA! The tide is shifting allright, against the Palestinians. The Palestinians exist only by the mercy of the Jews. Mercy is getting hard to come up with after the merciless murders of kids and church goers. The dance in the street bit is wearing a bit thin too.
whereas there is almost no opposition among Palestinians, even Palestinian Christians, to terrorism against Israel.
Most of those who voiced opposition publicly have been executed as collaborators. The rest learned real quick to shut up. What they say behind closed doors is entirely different. The majority of Palestinians HATE Arafat. He has driven the hopes for a state and prosperity into the ground, turned it down to use their children as shields for snipers for media soundbytes. Seriously, what good all is of Israel to loot, if your sons and daughters are dead and gone?
Among the Palestinian population, there is a virtual limitless supply of young people willing to blow themselves up, a tactic against which all the missiles and jets in the world are going to be futile.
That is what Artillery was invented for. When you have a target rich enviroment too thick for simple machine guns, cluster bombs will do wonders. Jets are for other jets and buildings and other high value targets. The vulcan cannon on the Apachee's work much better on concentrations of soft targets. For example, sent 100 suicide bombers against a couple of tanks and what do you get? A new paint job on a tank and 100 dead "crunchies". Suicide bombers and terrorists work great on women and children, but they are the wrong tool for the job when facing trained military. That is why they ended up with 30 dead vs 1 dead when Israel invaded their main headquarters. They cannot stop infantry with wackjobs playing pray and spray with AK's.
You all want to kill, kill, kill based on nothing more than religion and ethnicity...
Actualy I hear the calls to kill based on stopping the madmen from killing more innocents. That is a lot different from the enemy, who yells kill, kill, kill based on religion and ethnicity. Heck, if a WASP Palestinian blew up your mom you would be yelling hang him by his gonads. Because he was white? NO, because he is a murderer.
Why does no one ask fundamental questions about Israeli intolerance and exclusion for four decades and whether it has contributed to the enemy's cause?
Because the Israeli's have been the most tolerant of Palestinians of anybody in History. All the Arab nations keep them in prison camps and deny them jobs based on their ETHNIC background. They also mow them down when necessary to keep them in line. The Jews built them Cities, hospitals, schools, firedepartments, water plants, sewage plants, industries, power systems, phone systems and gave them land for farms from the land they captured from Jordan. The Palestinians live(ed) at a higher standard of living than the rest of the Islamic world. As to "exclusion", The Jews even gave them full citizenship, social security and free hospitalisation. Something NO Arab nation has ever done. That is called inclusion. Why I ask you has no one talked about how Israels kindness and inclusion bred a terrorist war in its own backyard? It seems we should take a lesson from the Islamics. If you have Palestinians in your backyard, put them in a prison. If they get out, mow them down. If they still act up, toss them all, lock stock and barrel out of the country. That is how the Arabs have treated them, and it takes one to know one.
What the Heck more do you want? That the Jews cut their own throats so the Palestinians can dance?
America's best course is to get out of the way, maintain a posture as an honest broker in the event the sides come to their senses, or else wait and see which side self-destructs first.
That would be the best course for the Islamic Horde, that The Christians Abandon the Jews. Much easier to kill them one at a time. That is why the Islamic shills always bleat this out.
I think that Israel has never lost its senses or Palestine would be radioactive by now. I also think the Palestinians have never gained their senses or they would be prosperous and have a State by now.
If Palestine was capable of being a state they would be one. You have to BE a state, not be granted statehood. 8 years of billions in foreign aid, and still the sewage flows in the streets, no industrys, and no wells drilled for water. The roads have gone to hell, the place looks like a giant slum now. Tell me, after HUD tore out the slums, and built all those huge fancy Apartment complexes, is it a nice neighborhood now, or is it now 10 story tall slums... Why expect anything different from the Palestinians?
Anytime the Palestinians want a state all they have to do is declare it. That is how states are formed. You don't ask permission, you just BE.
But being a state is not the goal, destroying Israel is. That is why there is no state, but there is terrorism. Arafat could have had a state two years ago. The deal was set before him. He could then had his intifadda. But a state comes with responsiblility and terrorism is free. Arafat did not want to bother with the work part, he is here for the killing. Why work for a living when the EU and Saudi will pay you to have fun...
Both sides are guilty.
No, the other sides, Christians and Jews are not blowing up innocent people. You paint with so broad of a brush your windows are painted over.
But the Israelis, with their superior might, have a greater capability to manifest their bigotry and hatred into massive force.
And since they have not wiped out massive numbers of women and children with their massive force, I think we can safely conclude that they are not operating out of Bigotry or Hatred. One Helo-jocky cuts loose with one burst from a Vulcan cannon on a "dance for the blood party" and you will have thousands dead in seconds. That has never happened, so the incredible restraint by the Jews show CLEARLY that they are not operating out of Bigotry OR Hatred.
Unlike our war, the Israelis have no strategy.
Read my post earlier in the thread, despite the speculative nature, it is a very workable strategy, and in fact is working out that way intentionally or not.
I dare say if Arafat were killed by the Israelis, a far worse head would grow in his place.
I agree with you, and that is why Arafat is alive today, not because he is smart, but because he is stupid and predictable.
People will live free or die.
That is horsepucky, or did you forget that the Palestinians are fighting and blowing themselves up to be under a dictatorship, and the people they are fighting want them to be free. If what you said was true there would have been FAR less wars in mankind’s history. Like about 1/100th of as many. The sad truth is that people are sheeple. The less schooling they get, the less people they are. We are born with the instincts of an animal, it take parenting to make us Adults.
The point is, none of this should be any of our business. Both sides are hellbent on self-destruction..
How can you get it backwards so many times in a row? Clearly one side is bent on genocide and ethnic cleansing. The same side that uses its children as bullet shields and blows itself up for media sound bytes. The other side is fighting to fend them off, and may be forced to go to all out war to the the maniacs to stop. Two entirely different positions. It is that broad brush thing again. Are we bent on Genocide in declaring war on Afghanistan? Then how is Israel bent on Genocide by NOT declaring war on Palestine?
No, the Israelis don't deserve our support any more than the Palestinians do. A pox on both their houses.
Well at least you are an equal opportunity poxer, though a poor motivational analyst...
BTW, beware what you wish for, biological weapons do not stop at borders.
Bingo!
Standard of payment is $2000 from Arafat and $10,000 from Sadam. (Arafat however charges an instant tax of $400 so it is really only $Saudi chipped in Millions to distribute to the "martyrs" families but Arafat kept that chunk for himself. Sadam will only pay the "martyrs" families personaly and has people here to do that, because he knows that if he gives the money to Arafat it is gone. Saudi is pissed, but what the heck...
God forbid we Americans should have to depend on Israel to defend us. Based on their 40 year record, they are totally and utterly inept at defending themselves.
You know massivedisavantage, Your Islamic shrill is showing. I just thought I would twist your head on frontwards by a little editing for content. The above is now the truth. See if you can comprehend it. Compare it to History, not Islamic websites and you might just be in for a shock. (but I doubt it) Hey, its 4:50, arn't you late for prayers?
Funny, I have never seen a sign of that in two years of living in Jerusalem. No signs Arabs and dogs keep off the grass, No signs Arabs to the back of the bus, In fact I see Arabs with shops open right downtown next to Israel ones. In fact my three most favorite shops is an Arab owned hardware store, an Arab owned Shwarma stand (the best Shawarma in all of Jerusalem) and my most favorite of all is an Arab Christian owned stop-n-shop. All this in downtown Jerusalem, the Capitol city, the highest rent and land prices in all of Israel.
In other words, you are taking advantage of those who are not able to refute the lies you speak to bear false witness against the Jews. You vacuum heavily dude. May the pox you wish on innocent people alight on your doorstep instead.
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