Buying A Gun Might Soon Be Illegal In Oregon

http://www.koin.com ^ | Posted: February 18, 2002

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Buying A Gun Might Soon Be Illegal In Oregon

Shop Owners Await New Paperwork

PORTLAND -- It might soon be illegal to purchase a gun in Oregon. Regulations recently passed by the Oregon Legislature require business owners to fill out paperwork anytime they sell or transfer ownership of a gun. Without the form, the sale is illegal. The law go into effect at midnight Tuesday, but Oregon gun shop owners say that they have not yet received the new paperwork. "Approximately 30 percent of the secondhand stores, I'm not sure what the margin is for big retailers, but its substantial. Not only that, but it's effecting a constitutional right, so you know somebody dropped the ball," gun shop owner Lance Barkley says. It is not known when that paperwork is supposed to arrive. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms regulates the new program.

[A6M3]

Reply to post #1: If the reds can make you fill out a form every time you excercise your second amendment rights they can and will do it every time you wish to excercise your first amendment rights. Chiang Kai Shek said it all when asked during the Japanese occupation why he wanted to fight reds instead of Japanese. His response was "Japanese are a disease of the skin, communists are a disease of the soul". Unless American's realize that all of America's institutions, both government and civil, have been infected with this marxist malignancy and take the necessary steps to remove and destroy it, it like all cancers, will destroy its host.

[FreedomPoster]

Works for me.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms regulates the new program."

See, no problem here. The US Attorney General is in charge of the ATF and the Attorney General is pro 2nd amendment.

[cruiserman]

Regulations recently passed by the Oregon Legislature require business owners to fill out paperwork anytime they sell or transfer ownership of a gun. Without the form, the sale is illegal.

I don't get it. Currently the ATF requires this with the 4473 form.

[SpookBrat]

*ping*

[ExSoldier]

"It appears to be a regulation of gun ownership...not a ban. Depending on how it is implemented, it may not be a big deal..unless you are a felon trying to buy a gun."

ANYTIME you have a government entity "regulating" the lawful transfer of firearms, two things are happening:
FIRST: Denial of Liberty. Obtaining government permission to exercise a Constitutional Right, negates that right.
SECOND: Creation of a de facto database (REGISTRATION) of all guns and gunowners. Every dictatorship in the last hundred years that wound up confiscating weapons from the people...first REGISTERED those weapons. Funny thing, the result was usually state sponsored genocide. That's why I just cannot understand Jews who support gun control like Liberalman. I mean, if you're a practicing Jew and you support gun control; you not only condone the first Holocaust...you INVITE the second! DUH.

[Blood of Tyrants]

The official word is that they are simply changing the 4473. In reality, they have made a new ruling requiring all FFL dealers to use the new form by a certain date but have failed to provide that new form essentially denying everyone the right to purchase a gun.

Won't stand any sort of court challenge.

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

Mean=endslol

[prambo]

Infringements of The Constitution are NEVER a big deal; they're just "inconveniences". (sarcasm - OFF)

The BOR lists what the gubmint CAN'T touch, not what "they" grant. There is not one Constitutionally legal gun law - not one.

prambo

[prambo]

Actually, ATF is under the Treasury secretary. Isn't he a left over Clintonista DemoNazi?

prambo

[John Jorsett]

Didn't they have a similar situation in Maryland, where a new law required firearms manufacturers to supply spent bullets and shell casings, and the manufacturers couldn't comply so sales were effectively stopped? What ever happened there?

[DBrow]

Similar to Massachusetts. The AG wrote a complex set of regulations requiring that "all" firearms be tested- fired hundreds of times, dropped on concrete, accuracy test- and so on (more at G.O.A.L.), all testing to be performed by approved labs. To date, no approved labs have been identified and many gun shops have closed since there is no way to sell much of their "used" inventory. It is also difficult to buy a new Glock, the AG won't approve test results. An IDPA shooter I know won a nice new Glock at a match in NH, but cannot take posession in MA.

What if Oregon never issues the correct forms, and starts busting shops for illegally selling guns? The State uses tax money for court, and the shops use their own to defend.

[nickcarraway]

Even if you want to kill yourself?

[DBrow]

That history has been somewhat diluted- in Concord, Cradle of Liberty, there are sections of town where you cannot choose your housepaint- "historic district" yano. The Concord police chief won't issue handgun permits to people with kids, at all, from what I've heard.

Oh yeah, the police chief in every town and city has total unrestrained discretion to issue any firearms permit, or not, no explanation needed and no appeal.

If you are expecting another Lexington, don't hold your breath, it won't happen in Massachusetts. You can't get most deer hunters to go to a State House rally, and the most at any rally downtown has only been a few thousand.

[Mr. Bungle]

I figure if the First Amendment is ever going to catch up to the Second Amendment in its infringements, it still has a way to go. Get cracking, Congress!

So in that spirit, I offer these suggestions to our fine, constitutionally-minded legislators pondering this important matter. For the children, of course:

• Print ads 60 days before an election must be read at a rate no more than 1 word per second. Speed readers and fast talkers (referred to as fully automatic) will hereby be prohibited from engaging in civilian political speech. They will be reserved for government and law enforcement use only.

• 'High-capacity' words that might mean a lot, like 'epistemology', 'Constitution' or 'macroeconomics' will be prohibited from political speech. No word used in a political advertisement by a civilian may contain more than 10 letters. Words and ideas such 'racism', 'hate', 'Enron' and 'Marxism' fall under the capacity limit, and are thus permissible for civilian use.

• Words and phrases describing entities, such that can be descibed by acronyms, thus collapsable and easy to conceal, will be prohibited from use in civilian political speech. These include acronyms such as CFR, GAO, FBI, IRS, DEA, CIA, ATF, POTUS, FLOTUS, SCOTUS, and BOHICA. Words that can apply to a large group with a single usage must not be manually truncated below a certain length. "Sawed-off" words such "gub'mint", "libs", and "pols" will be prohibited from use in the political speech of civilians.

• Political speech and ideas sent from one private individual to another via any medium (mail or other carrier) must be accompanied by an FBI background check of the person receiving the political speech and ideas in question. Failure to meet acceptible standards for posession of that speech will result in the prohibition of the recipient from receiving any further political speech, until such time as posession of that speech or idea is approved by the Federal Government.

• Political speech in one state may not be freely transported to another state. Speech must be sent via a federally registered speech licensee (FSL). However, political speech mentioning the FSL, if employing the acronym and thus easily concealed by civilians, is banned.

• Some small words, which are small enough to be used by any civilian, in some states will require a license to use. Words such as "vote", "recall", or "impeach."

As you can see, the First Amendment has a lot of catching up to do. Good to see our legislators so hard at work at it!

[Aric2000]

Thanks for the ping, saw this and just have nothing to say. It isn't surprising, this states legislators and governor are a bunch of socialist wahckjobs, who wouldn't know the constitution if it came up and bit them in thier fat socialist butts.

I am moving to Washington here in the next month or so, but don't know if that's any better. Montana or Idaho is calling I believe, but I don't even know about those. I don't think there is an actual constitutional state left.

This country is dying by degrees, and it's our fault for letting it happen, I am especially ashamed of my parents generation. Thanks baby boomers.