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15 year old pilot left note in plane supporting Bin Laden
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Posted on 01/06/2002 12:23:36 PM PST by newsperson999

It was found in the wreckage of the plane in the building.


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To: YaYa123
You're right. Plus, just goes to show how easy some resident Arab extremists (or "regular old Amurcan") extremists can carry on more airplane>building attacks.
261 posted on 01/07/2002 6:40:54 AM PST by mikhailovich
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To: KC_Conspirator
"Thank you for that Tin Foil Hat alert... I remember when Richard Reid was taken down some wackos here automatically began tying it to the plane crash in Rockaway, New York"

The conspiracy theorists disgust me too, because they are forever clouding the real issues with their unfounded theories. Is it me, or are the numbers of Tinfoil Hat posters on the INCREASE in FR?

262 posted on 01/07/2002 6:45:35 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: archy
As a precaution, two F-15 fighter jets were scrambled from Homestead Air Reserve Base, 200 miles away, but they arrived after the crash, said Capt. Kirstin Reimann at the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

I am actually thankful they were too late. Can you imagine the public reaction if they had shot down a 15-yr-old kid? Regardless of the evidence they could have shown that he had hostile intent, the soccer mom crowd and almost everyone else would lose support for the military FAST. At least this way, his intent was clearly demonstrated, boosting support for the military effort, if anything. It's much more cut and dry this way. Very sad, though.

263 posted on 01/07/2002 6:48:09 AM PST by LibertyGirl77
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To: newsperson999
Described as 'a nice clean cut boy....' I wonder what kind of profiling issues this will raise.
264 posted on 01/07/2002 6:50:13 AM PST by OliverWendellDouglas
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To: cake_crumb
Yes, I think tin-foil conspirators are on the rise at FR, but I think there's good reason for it: Homeland Security. They botched and misinformed their way through anthrax, and have taken to releasing "no terrorism" reports without a thorough investigation. Who in their right mind can believe that a thorough investigation of motives or contacts can be conducted in less than an hour? (Which was less than the time it took for HS to issue a statement.)

Maybe an investigation will prove this wasn't "organized" terrorism, but it was indeed terrorism -- of the sort many have been predicting (suicide piolots). Perhaps they've established an age-limit on terrorism? Nathan Chapman's life was taken by a 14-year-old. Shall we call this "random violence?"

As Homeland Security continues to pooh-pooh events prematurely (I believe they are still insisting this is not "terrorism"), skepticism, and tin-foilism, will grow proportionately.

265 posted on 01/07/2002 6:55:02 AM PST by browardchad
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To: cake_crumb
The tin foil hatters have been on the increase for awhile. I can actually tolerate a conspiracy theorist if they come up with some well thought out ideas or make a their case using facts and logic. Hell, some can even get me to agree with them, but most of the time its incoherent ranting.
266 posted on 01/07/2002 7:01:33 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: browardchad
"Maybe an investigation will prove this wasn't "organized" terrorism, but it was indeed terrorism"

I agree that it's terrorism. It also proves that you don't have to be a member of al Qaeda in order to be a bin Laden "Mini Me". I'm not entirely sure what the Office of Homeland Security is doing as far as investigating...if it's doing anything much at all yet. I can't believe that a defense office with the broad ranging responsibilities that it has could even be set up yet, let alone online.

There are bound to be all sorts of mistakes and problems, both large and small, that will crop up. As long as the government knows that the public is watching, CLOSELY, and discussing their every action, they will be forced to change and improve the various programs now allocated to homeland security.

267 posted on 01/07/2002 7:10:32 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: KC_Conspirator
"I can actually tolerate a conspiracy theorist if they come up with some well thought out ideas or make a their case using facts and logic. Hell, some can even get me to agree with them, but most of the time its incoherent ranting."

My thoughts exactly.

268 posted on 01/07/2002 7:26:27 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
And as I scour various news organization, including British press, I see no where does it say this boy was of Britsh descent, or anything about his father... anyway, here is part of an article from the Boston Globe:

In Norwell, neighbors said the Bishops and their two dogs lived in the town for about a year, in 1995. They remembered that Julia Bishop spoke with a Southern accent and sometimes complained about the New England cold. She said she wanted to move south, they said.

Neighbor Bev Pinkham said ''Chucky'' Bishop was a polite boy who rode his bicycle around the neighborhood and twice complimented her on her garden

269 posted on 01/07/2002 7:38:34 AM PST by lady reaper
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To: browardchad
Yes, I think tin-foil conspirators are on the rise at FR, but I think there's good reason for it: Homeland Security. They botched and misinformed their way through anthrax, and have taken to releasing "no terrorism" reports without a thorough investigation. Who in their right mind can believe that a thorough investigation of motives or contacts can be conducted in less than an hour? (Which was less than the time it took for HS to issue a statement.)

Maybe an investigation will prove this wasn't "organized" terrorism, but it was indeed terrorism -- of the sort many have been predicting (suicide piolots). Perhaps they've established an age-limit on terrorism? Nathan Chapman's life was taken by a 14-year-old. Shall we call this "random violence?"

As Homeland Security continues to pooh-pooh events prematurely (I believe they are still insisting this is not "terrorism"), skepticism, and tin-foilism, will grow proportionately.

Thanks for the reply. My thoughts too.

270 posted on 01/07/2002 7:59:22 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: cake_crumb
I think tin foil hatters have left FR in droves, but the skeptical remain.

I'm not a tin foil hatter, never been one, but..................suspending suspicion would be a mistake.

I NEVER believe the first news briefings from government agencies. They don't have all the facts, they don't want to scare us, and let's face it, their main priority is looking competent.

You hear Rumsfeld and Tommy Franks caution reporters not to believe first battlefield reports. They go ignored, so those reporters, wanting to be first, fill our heads with inaccurate information. Same thing happens on civilian news, and I can see where that would spawn tin foil hatters.

Did you see that Tampa official who held the first press conference about this kid? He was a total inarticulate incompetent boob! Making the declaration that this kid had no middle eastern connection was obviously unfounded, and stupid! We'll have to wait days to find out why the kid and his mother moved so many times over the last few years, how they were financed, and the location/occupation of the absent (we're told) father.

We should all be very skeptical of any information that's "fed" to us.

271 posted on 01/07/2002 8:14:58 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: lady reaper
I can't find any connection confirming British origin either. I searched:
The London Times
Miami Herald
and
Boston Globe, among others. The only things all the stories agree on is that he was a troubled, lonely kid, who lived without a father, moved frequently with his mother, and lived in Massachusetts before moving to Florida. No one knows where the kid's father is. OH...last but not least, he admired bin Laden.

The rumor about British origins should remain a rumor until it can be confirmed one way or another.

I still think he was an Osama "Mini Me" wannabe, no matter HOW screwed up he or his family is. I also want to know the names of all the other flight students at that school, just so we can find out, once and for all, whether there was ANY al Qaeda influence pushed on Bishop.

272 posted on 01/07/2002 8:16:12 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: YaYa123
"You hear Rumsfeld and Tommy Franks caution reporters not to believe first battlefield reports. They go ignored, so those reporters, wanting to be first, fill our heads with inaccurate information. Same thing happens on civilian news, and I can see where that would spawn tin foil hatters."

You are absolutely right. I disagree that the tinfoil hat crowd have left FR in droves. I try to get to FR every day, and I see them here every time I'm online.

273 posted on 01/07/2002 8:19:25 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: mikhailovich
I've got a general aviation airport within spitting distance of my house, along with a college, a mall, and DobbinsAFB/Naval Air Station. It's not reassuring to me to hear the following:

At today's Pentagon briefing, a reporter asked how this kid managed to pull this off. "Indeterminate amount of training flights going on at all times" so says Rear ADM. John Stufflebeem in today's briefing. The good Admiral could only offer that all the involved agencies are re-thinking their procedures.

274 posted on 01/07/2002 8:27:32 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: YaYa123
"At today's Pentagon briefing, a reporter asked how this kid managed to pull this off. "Indeterminate amount of training flights going on at all times" so says Rear ADM. John Stufflebeem in today's briefing."

That bothers me, too. I remember an incident where Hubby and a friend overflew a naval base in Virginia, in a gas company helicopter...and you can BETCHA there were fighter jets escorting them our of the airspace IMMEDIATELY. That was years BEFORE 9-11. You'd think that military base security would INCREASE rather than DECREASE since 9-11.

275 posted on 01/07/2002 8:40:41 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Well cake crumb, I've been around here since 98, and believe me, most of the worst offenders are long gone. But I admit, I seldom read threads that don't provide a legitimate link to a reputable, at least recognizable, media source, or from a poster I've come to respect.
276 posted on 01/07/2002 8:58:48 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: browardchad
I heard a couple of days ago that the kid's father was Arab or Moslem. Thus, I guess he came about his suicidal tendencies naturally.
277 posted on 01/07/2002 9:10:21 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: YaYa123
Hmmm...you're observation, if true and not just a result of the tinfoil hat crowd hanging out in different threads than you've been lately, is scary, considering the posts I've seen since 9-11. Well, I guess it should reassure me if there are FEWER of these types making FR look like a group of irrational wackos.
278 posted on 01/07/2002 9:10:59 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: newsperson999
The cops are saying this kid was not a terrorist despite his support of the Islamic Terrorists and flying a plane into a building. Is it possible to come up with a definition of a terrorist; for now they definitely have me confused as to what a terrorist is?
279 posted on 01/07/2002 9:31:32 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
he was a "good" kid and was an honor student, obviously, he was not as good as people thought.

When my daughter was in the fifth grade, a child in her class had obvious psychological problems. However, they seemed apparent only to the parents of her friends. Several of us approached the teacher because of how difficult she was to work with on group projects. The teacher--a very good one--said that she was aware of problems, but that b/c she was such an excellent student, the overloaded guidance counselor would never get involved. Seems grades have to be suffering before hurting children get help. Very sad.

280 posted on 01/07/2002 9:49:47 AM PST by twigs
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