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sorry to put this in "breaking news", but it seemed important
1 posted on 01/05/2002 4:14:44 PM PST by knak
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To: knak
Thanks for posting. But the person who wrote the article is ignorant when they write:

When a stealth bomber was suspected to be flying through their area they saturated the sky with missile and heavy machine-gun fire and managed to shoot one down.

Really? When was a B-2 shot down?

2 posted on 01/05/2002 4:18:40 PM PST by Fury
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To: knak
The Iraqis won't be able to use that radar if it takes a 2000 pound bomb hit.

And, I would be very careful of the source of this report.

3 posted on 01/05/2002 4:18:43 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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4 posted on 01/05/2002 4:19:26 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: knak
That "czech" radar is not what brought down that F-117. We were flying the same patterns night after night...eventually they just moved a lot of triple A into place and had at it...

They had taken shots at F-117's flying the same pattern the previous night and missed, instead of changing tactics we continued flying the same route...the next night they got lucky.

Iraq can spend all the money they want...no radar is going to give them a fix on a F-1117.

5 posted on 01/05/2002 4:19:48 PM PST by VaBthang4
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Osama bin Laden has been named Iraq's Man of The Year, according to the official Iraqi press, because of the way in which he has "raised the image of Islam and defied the might of the USA".

Man of the year.... They got his picture from the wanted dead or alive posters, because they could not find him in the Afgan caves either.

Sounds like it is past time to RAZE Iraq.

6 posted on 01/05/2002 4:20:41 PM PST by Delta-Boudreaux
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To: knak
Radars are missile-magnets.

Particularly in Iraq.

7 posted on 01/05/2002 4:21:00 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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Isn't it about time we just call it the F-117?
11 posted on 01/05/2002 4:28:49 PM PST by Registered
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To: knak
The thing is, the bomber is faster than HELL and very quiet. By the time any radar detects it, it is too late.
17 posted on 01/05/2002 4:46:32 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: knak
They can have all the radar in the world, they still won't be able to shoot it down. This is more propaganda to get the Muslums all pscyched up. In the end we will prevail.
22 posted on 01/05/2002 4:52:01 PM PST by Mixer
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To: knak
Seems like a lot of speculation in this article, I don't buy it. Even if they do have this radar, and even if it is up and running, they are still no match for our military. I don't know if Iraq should be our next target (or if we should have a next target), but if we don't attack Iraq it won't be for fear of their military might.
27 posted on 01/05/2002 4:58:11 PM PST by Michael2001
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He said: "The Pentagon is faced with the prospect that Iraq may have a system that can see stealth bombers and they are very, very worried."
Oh, yeah. I'm sure they're panicking at the Pentagon. Hiding beneath their desks or dashing willy-nilly through the corridors. Yelling. Shrieking. Gibbering unintelligibly. Tearing at their suits and uniforms. Tossing files and papers and binders into the air. That sort of thing.
37 posted on 01/05/2002 5:28:14 PM PST by Asclepius
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The disclosure is likely to affect the next stages of the war against terrorism and influence whether the US decides to carry out a full-scale attack against Saddam Hussein's regime.

Plus, we forgot to order cruise missiles, don't forget.

Nothing at all to do with the fact that Saddam has sleepers in this country who can retaliate by killing millions of Americans with biological weapons. Nah, that wouldn't have anything to do with it.

42 posted on 01/05/2002 5:32:13 PM PST by The Great Satan
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The B2 stealth bomber and the F117 stealth fighter both played vital roles in the Kosovan and Afghan wars

The F-117 has not been used in the Afghan war.

45 posted on 01/05/2002 5:37:16 PM PST by denydenydeny
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IMHO there is a ferocious propaganda war being waged to keep the US from going after Sadam Hussein and Iraq. Many European nations, China, Russia, Arab terror states,Colin Powell, James Baker and certain US business interests are desparately trying to manufacture reasons, provide excuses (or threats in some cases)for not doing anything about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and his training of AlQaeda terrroists to use them against the US.

Even if these desperate people try to argue that Saddam and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 (But they did), the US still must act very soon against Iraq or risk deaths of millions of its citizens within the US as a result of weapons of mass destruction launched against Iraq sponsored, supplied and trained terrorists.

47 posted on 01/05/2002 5:38:03 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: knak
wonder if their fancy radar will allow them to see the navy seals come in and blow it up....
55 posted on 01/05/2002 6:14:07 PM PST by da_toolman
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US fears Iraq radar can see stealth plane

... and Iraq should fear our HARM missiles which are designed to see and seek-out their little RADAR ...

79 posted on 01/05/2002 7:10:02 PM PST by _Jim
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From Discovery Channel Canada (1999 article):    

Stealthy operators such as this B-2 bomber may be obsolete if the Chinese claim can be substantiated.

China claims to ‘de-stealth’ military detection systems

By: Emma Reid, November 30, 1999

The Chinese government claims to have developed a technology that can outwit the stealth bombers. Stealth technology has been in existence since the 1960s and aircraft designed with Stealth technology have been successful because they are virtually invisible to radar detection.

Stealth technology hides aircraft by masking the physical, thermal and sonic properties aircraft exhibit. Physically, military aircraft are large and cumbersome and can be detected with radar. They generate a considerable amount of heat as a result of the combustion in the engines that propel it forward. They also generate a lot of noise and sound waves that resonate through the atmosphere.

The way most airplane identification works is by continuously bombarding airspace with a radar signal, which is comprised of high frequency radio waves. When a plane flies into the airspace, a signal bounces back to a sensor, or receiver, that determines size, and altitude of the plane.

The most considerable challenge lies in cloaking the physical structure of the aircraft so very little high frequency radio waves bounce back. The quality of the reflected radio waves depends on the nature of the object itself. Some types of objects reflect more than others. Stealthy designs involve constructing aircraft in ways that either disperse a signal in random directions to avoid detection at the receiver, or simply absorb the signal all together. To absorb the waves into the actual structure requires the use of panels on its ‘skin’ which are covered with RAM (Radio Absorbing Material). These panels are also angled so that any radar signal that is not absorbed will not reflect back to a receiver to do any damage. This way, receivers on the ground have no way of ‘seeing’ the aircraft. Dispersing the signal ultimately dilutes the picture. Aerodynamics also has a part to play in keeping air turbulence noise down, in addition to incorporating low-noise engines. With minimal sound effects, aircraft can sneak around undetected in the skies. The B-2 Stealth Bomber has a "bat-wing" shape to reduce its radar cross-section, as well as visual recognition, especially on the horizon.

To alleviate the thermal print of the aircraft, engineers designed the exhaust system with precision. Hot exhaust gases are mixed thoroughly with cool air before leaving the plane to reduce any infrared (heat) signature. This fools heat sensors on the ground and also keeps heat-seeking missiles from getting any sort of a lock on their targets. With all of these things in check, stealth technology has proven the test of time and remained an elusive technology. But the recent Chinese claim has U.S. authorities concerned.

The Chinese appear to have turned things around. Their new Passive Coherent Location system allegedly tracks fluctuations in normal or civilian broadcasts, which function at a different frequency, and looks for distortions, reports Newsweek. The PCL system monitors the incoming signals that originated from civilian sources, and can attempt to decipher the image they paint. The key here being, the aircraft may no longer remain invisible.

For details on the Chinese claim, watch @discovery.ca tonight for an interview with Dr. Daniel Goure of the Centre for Strategic and International Studies.  

Copyright © 2953285 Canada Inc. Discovery Canada 2001. All Rights Reserved.

89 posted on 01/05/2002 7:50:10 PM PST by pttttt
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thats what HARM missiles are for.
98 posted on 01/05/2002 9:39:53 PM PST by GeronL
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Too much to coment on So I will tell every one to read the book Skunk Works Link to what I said on an other thread. And some more links.

Link to thread post 61

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105 posted on 01/06/2002 12:05:55 AM PST by quietolong
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To: ScreamingFist
Some very interesting info on this thread.
It's not all that impressive if this extremely expensive aircraft is only cost-effective against 3rd world countries.

(Although I doubt it is possible to prevent even low-end countermeasures from getting one every once in awhile,
-given luck and correct circumstances.
Almost nothing is 100%.)
114 posted on 01/06/2002 4:51:13 AM PST by freefly
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