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Rules Will Allow Screeners to Remain in Jobs
The New York Times ^ | 12/29/2001 | David Firestone

Posted on 12/29/2001 9:21:07 AM PST by GeneD

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To: tbeatty
We'll keep the same people and just pay them more. And make it impossible to fire the incompetant ones. And we'll hire based on gender and race rather than qualification.

The lessons of 9/11 are fading fast.

21 posted on 12/29/2001 10:37:12 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: freedox; RANGERAIRBORNE
While I agree that a diploma from today's public school system is an extremely poor yardstick for competence, I would question the overall quality of a younger applicant who had not even had the wherewithall to achieve that simple goal.

Personally I think that a lot(not a majority) of todays drop outs are bored with today's "dumbed down" standards.

I have no idea if Michael Dell(owner of Dell computers) dropped out, but he did start his company when he was 18. Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard after his freshmen year.

IMHO, this furor over having a high school diploma is the NYT trying to protect the public education establishmnet.

Like I stated before I would rather have somebody who has worked for a reputable security firm and who maybe a drop out, than a person with a freshly minted high school diploma.

22 posted on 12/29/2001 10:38:41 AM PST by Dane
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To: freedox
You got me laughing out loud with that last comment- not easy to do as I prepare to go out into the gray, snowy day!

But I understand your point, and I used to believe that graduating from High School was a test of a kid's ability to stick to a task and finish what he started. But today, there are essentially NO standards, and a kid in Anchorage who wants the diploma can just slide on through, doing little or nothing and learning not a whole lot.

Just so long as he doesn't get caught with a toy gun or a Boy Scout knife in school, he WILL get a diploma. It's for the administrators, and their cushy jobs and good retirements- nothing to do with the kids at all.

Of course some kids excel- but these are the ones would do well in any system you could set up. The need is to raise standards and expectations for the bottom 50%.

23 posted on 12/29/2001 10:40:04 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: FractalSphere
""These screeners are going to be an important line of defense, and
it seems to me we should have higher educational standards for them.""

I know someone who went to college full time for eight years.
He learned something about gooseberries.
I don't think his education would make him a good security screener.

24 posted on 12/29/2001 10:42:47 AM PST by Spunky
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To: GeneD; OLDWORD
Oh, goody. We've gone from ill-trained, private airport screeners to ill-trained public airport screeners. The only difference is that they are paid more, will be able to join a union and threaten a strike that will shut down American air travel, and will donate money to Deocrat politicians.

Have I missed anything? Or are those the high points of this story?

Congressman Billybob

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25 posted on 12/29/2001 10:43:40 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
Have I missed anything?

You left out the "M" in "Democrat." As you spelled it, "Deocrat" "Godly ruler."

26 posted on 12/29/2001 10:45:49 AM PST by codeword
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To: Joe Hadenuf
For some reason, I feel less like flying now, than I did before.

Not to worry. Education is compulsory up to age 12 in Mexico. These screeners will know enough read a ballot in Spanish and vote for President Bush when he runs for re-election--which, I gather, is the point.

28 posted on 12/29/2001 10:52:51 AM PST by codeword
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To: GeneD
What an outrage. Fire Mineta!
29 posted on 12/29/2001 10:58:27 AM PST by aculeus
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To: GeneD; Dane
"This job is more than just looking at an X-ray screen — it's about looking at people and interpreting their answers to questions and making judgments," Mr. Mitchell said. "As much as anything here, we have to restore the confidence of the American people and the integrity of the aviation system, and I think most people would view the lack of a high school diploma with some alarm."

I view with far more alarm the apparent requirement that common sense be disgarded when the guvmint searches for solutions to this problem. I have known Phd's with mashed potatoes for common sense and tenth graders that had plenty of the required commodity.

The Association of Flight Attendants, the largest flight attendants union, has also protested the lack of an education requirement, saying it fears the government will hire too many of the same screeners who allowed terrorists on the planes in the first place.

I can't recall. Could someone fill me in? What was it that the screeners on 9/11 did that was wrong or a violation of the rules. Also, what group established those rules in the first place?

30 posted on 12/29/2001 10:58:44 AM PST by stevem
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To: innocentbystander; Dane
What is so great about a high school diploma these days? I would rather have someone who dropped out of high school who has worked for a reputable security company, rather than a brain full of mush recent high school grad.

I agree with you. There is a shortage of jobs for low-skilled workers in our information economy. You don't need to be very bright to look at a CRT all day or wave a wand. In fact, I would go out on a limb and say that being very bright would make one a WORSE screener.

Back in the days of "typists" and "file clerks," I always felt that the best ones were not too bright - the typists and clerks with college degrees were always "improving" things and/or so bored they didn't care.

If the new airport security measures provide stable jobs with benefits for those Americans born on the left-hand side of the IQ bell curve, then this is a good thing.

31 posted on 12/29/2001 10:59:29 AM PST by Arleigh
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To: aculeus
What an outrage. Fire Mineta!

Mineta is a Bush appointee. On a matter of this importance, he must have checked with President Bush, and Bush must have given his OK. But the blame where it belongs.

32 posted on 12/29/2001 11:23:53 AM PST by codeword
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To: GeneD
After stoking high expectations that the federal takeover of airport security would lead to a new breed of airport security screener, one who was better educated and more qualified to assume a position of increased responsibility,

Ya.....right! Now instead of low paid morons we'll have high paid morons. BOHICA

33 posted on 12/29/2001 11:24:55 AM PST by Valin
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To: Arleigh
"If the new airport security measures provide stable jobs with benefits for those Americans born on the left-hand side of the IQ bell curve, then this is a good thing."

Isn't that the job of the Postal Service???

34 posted on 12/29/2001 11:28:09 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
I did NOT post this twice- may be a glitch in the new server??? (If I had posted it twice, I would admit it)

Come on now, admit it. You know you posted it twice.

Confess...you'll feel better OR report to the torture chamber

;-)

35 posted on 12/29/2001 11:32:55 AM PST by evad
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To: Not_Who_U_Think
I can't wait to see how the Dems answer for this one ...

Why should the Dems have to answer for this? Note Kay Bailey Hutchison, quoted above, is a Republican.

36 posted on 12/29/2001 11:35:02 AM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Congressman Billybob
Have I missed anything?

Yes.

Once you have enough positive documentation they are incompetent and you (the boss) need to "take action" the fun begins.

First, you won't be able to fire them for incompetence unless they first go through at least a six month program of on-the-job retraining. This goes along with the extensive counseling, periodic individual reviews and reams and reams of scrutinizeable (by employee's and/or Union's representatives and lawyers, of course) documentation. Next, if the Union, EEOC, Human Resources, or the Sexual Equality Review Panels haven't got any problems with it and aren't fighting for them, the boss has survived the scores of hours of his required paperwork and reviews, and his/her boss agrees, Personell buys off on the action and the employee is still judged "incomptent" ,... you will have to find them another Federal job more "suitable" for them - which they may either accept or reject. If they refuse, then you might be able to fire them.

The alternative is, if the employee was involved in something criminal to start with, you might have a chance of getting rid of them with a little less trouble, but not much. Watch out for the lawyers, though! *wink, wink*

Otherwise, one is stuck with them, usually forever, unless you can somehow get them transferred to some other unwary sucker.

Now, tell me how all this has "improved" airline security?

37 posted on 12/29/2001 11:42:39 AM PST by Gritty
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To: tbeatty
One man today can be more powerful than any army.

But yet our government refuses to close our borders and stop all Visa's for protection of it's citizens.

If there is any more American blood spilled by the way of terrorism in America, the President, the Senate, and the House have to take some responsibility

38 posted on 12/29/2001 11:42:47 AM PST by expose
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To: GeneD
As recently as Dec. 20, the department said in a news release that "screeners must be U.S. citizens, have a high school diploma and pass a standardized examination."
Notice any article doesn't mention how many moslems are going to be kept ?


39 posted on 12/29/2001 11:51:55 AM PST by expose
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To: Dane

What is so great about a high school diploma these days?

My thoughts exactly.  We aren't talking rocket science
here.

40 posted on 12/29/2001 11:52:24 AM PST by gcruse
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