[Ada Coddington]

Who you gonna believe?

[backhoe]

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[zog]

--I have the first waco video, rules of engagement, that has this infrared video. I have yet to have anyone tell me who, after viewing this, thinks it's anything BUT gunfire. It is remarkably easy to see, even to an optics layman. It just IS gunfire, no amount of fudging or lying on the government's side is going to change that.

[Native American Female Vet]

After all these years the only people that still think "sensor malfunction and debris reflection scenarios" are whats on those tapes is the government.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Film Review: The F.L.I.R. Project

[Buffalo Bob]

An 8 yr old Branch Davidian girl was found after the fire, laying on her side, her mangled body twisted grossly backwards till her feet angled towards her forehead. This child did not die of flames twisting her body. She had no carbon monoxide in her system.

Click for picture of her, Warning: Graphic Content!

She died in agonizing pain from the CS gas. The ensuing seizures and powerful wrenching muscle spasms caused her body to bow in such a manner. It would have taken her agonizing minutes to die...

"I cry to think of what went through those mothers minds as they choked and gasped for air, watching their babies vomit and die the siezures taking the infants and twisting them. How DARE our government impose such a sentence!"

 
After breaking into tears, Sonny Bono had to look away from Jack Zimmerman as he testified about the babies, and the effects the gas had on them.

Buffalo Bob Sez: Janet Reno; I hope your last years are full of constant, intense pain. I hope every shake of your deteriorating condition reminds you of the babies and mothers who wriggled in pain. You authorized the use of CS gas which was banned for use against foreign enemies by an international agreement in 1969. Usage of CS gas, is considered a "crime against humanity" and is punishable by prison and severe penalties, yet you found it suitable to use against Texas women, children and babies.

I hope the end comes the same for you as it did for those two criminals in the movie Ghost. I wish I could be there in your last moments as those dark deamons rise from the ashes of Hell itself to take you kicking and screaming to meet your Master whom you have served so well, as you begin to serve your eternal sentence in the place reserved for Elite Members of the New Butt Order (NBO).

"There is no spot of ground so holy as where defeated valor lies."

[DoughtyOne]

Like many others, I also have both Waco Tapes. I friend of mine also gave me a third, less informative tape, but also worthwhile.

I've watched the scenes where the flashes are shown. Folks, the government hasn't a shred of credibility on this topic. The flashes are gunfire, plain and simple.

Consider a helicopter flying over the scene. Glass would have to been lined up in a neat little row, so that as the helicopter moved, the flashes would appear at the proper rate to mimic the muzzle flashes. Even then the flashes would have to move along the line of broken glass. When glass breaks, it doesn't align in a straight row. It rests in a patch of broken shards. Why then don't the reflections appear to jump around? The broken glass scenario is nonsense.

If I remember correctly, there was more than one location where gunfire could be seen. In neither instance does the "reflaction" theory hold up under scrutiny. In neither instance does the flashes resemble reflections that jump around as in a patch of broken glass.

The juvenality, if there is such a word, of the federal government on this topic is mammoth. Nobody believes them. It would have been far easier to admit to their actions and deal with the heat, than forever forveit any claim to honesty on the topic. Our federal government was guilty of mass murder IMO.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Hey _Jim what do the _jackboots say?

[Fred Mertz]

When was the Danforth official Waco report released? Extra credit: what else was happening at that time?

[Askel5]

Who you gonna believe?

Oh, by all means, I believe the Feds who were "100%" certain and delivered their final whitewash on November 8, 2000 under cover of "Election Crisis".

[_Jim]

Ya know - threre's a REAL SIMPLE test that these so-called 'experts' could perform to PROVE their case - but that CAN'T perform said test because it WON'T prove their case ...

This so-called 'expert' in this piece ALSO KNOWINGLY overlooks a very stout source of IR in the immediate vicinity of the series of so-called 'flashes' in the rear - the engine area of the tracked vehicle performing the hole punching and gas insertion ops ... OF COURSE she doesn't mention that (it would KILL the 'case' she is atempting to argue).

That's the way it is with ALL these wild 'conspiracy' theories - NONE of them hold water ...

[Aurelius]

BUMP

[NC_Libertarian]

"To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty; my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists -- for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve." - Janet Reno

[ElkGroveDan]

Grant spent two years studying infrared tapes taken by the FBI between 11:18 a.m. and 12:15 p.m. on April 19, 1993, from a plane circling 4,000 to 6,000 feet above the compound.

Gosh two whole years studying tapes from a plane circling 4,000 to 6,000 feet. I would have gotten dizzy.

[Fiddlstix]

Bump

[MissAmericanPie]

I'm going to believe my lying eyes.

[hattend]

BTTT

[SauronOfMordor]

A report on the incident, released Nov. 8, 2000, by Waco Investigation Special Consul John C. Danforth, states "unequivocally" that "government agents did not shoot at the Branch Davidians on April 19, 1993."

A very Clintonesque statement.

Are Delta Force personnel "government agents"? How about visiting British SAS? Or even contract private security goons? How about robots with firearm attachments (we know the FBI has them, as they were used up at Randy Weaver's cabin)

[exmarine]

I've believed this all along. The FBI (Federal Baby Incinerators) must lie to cover up the murder of those children. I have zero respect for the FBI - they are anti-American and corrupt. The FBI is an organization that lies continuously - Flt.800 and OKC are other great examples. I think they may even believe their own lies. The FBI is a rogue quasi-gestapo agency that should be abolished immediately.

[Jefferson Adams]

Is Ms Grant still alive? Seems folks with her expertise and beliefs about Waco seem to be dying off...