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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: ferret_mike; John Robinson
Ferret, you I like. You I have always liked. Keep on keeping on brother.

I once was idley toying with the idea of starting a forum with a lefty -- not to compete with Free Republic, but to compliment it -- and I approached the only lefty I knew from FR, a fellow by the name of Eschoir.

Well, it turns out that Eschoir was one cylinder short of a Mack truck. He was unstable and more interested in destroying than in building.

But you I would consider working with. For now, just show that you can stay unbanned. :o) Be on our side. :o)

But later on, maybe I will approach JohnRob for a license for a copy of the software and we can have a go at it.

JohnRob: Or maybe ferret and I can grab one of those 'sub forums' you were discussing......

3,381 posted on 02/20/2002 4:29:21 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
I once was idley toying with the idea of starting a forum with a lefty -- not to compete with Free Republic, but to compliment it -- and I approached the only lefty I knew from FR, a fellow by the name of Eschoir.

Now there's an excellent idea.

Well, it turns out that Eschoir was one cylinder short of a Mack truck. He was unstable and more interested in destroying than in building.

What was your first clue?

But you (tree-dweller ferret mike) I would consider working with. For now, just show that you can stay unbanned. :o) Be on our side. :o)

But later on, maybe I will approach JohnRob for a license for a copy of the software and we can have a go at it.

The Laz and Ferret show. Wonderful.

JohnRob: Or maybe ferret and I can grab one of those 'sub forums' you were discussing...

It would be nice to think you were kidding, but no, evidently not...

Let me direct your attention to the common thead running through all this -- profoundly abysmal decision making.

3,382 posted on 02/20/2002 6:58:26 AM PST by Interesting Times
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To: Z2
And have you done for conservatism. You haven't done a damn thing except dump on who should be your allies(unless you are a democrap which wouldn't suprise me).

You got too much time on your hands.

3,383 posted on 02/20/2002 7:35:32 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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Make that "And WHAT have you done for conservatism.
3,384 posted on 02/20/2002 7:36:35 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Interesting Times
The Laz and Ferret show. Wonderful.

Maybe it will suck. But let's let the market decide.

I mean, who knew 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' would make it?

But I hear your message, I.T.: I guess we won't be sending you a Neilson book.

3,385 posted on 02/20/2002 7:41:27 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Dan from Michigan
And have you done for conservatism. You haven't done a damn thing except dump on who should be your allies(unless you are a democrap which wouldn't suprise me).

Z2 is a self-described liberal and an AntiFreeper. He is known on other forums as Lord of the Flies.

3,386 posted on 02/20/2002 7:44:29 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
I know all about them..."Know the enemy".
3,387 posted on 02/20/2002 7:57:54 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: all
The part I get the biggest laugh out of, is when the AF;ers P@#^ and moan about FRNetwork as a spinoff for financial shenanagens(sp).

Has any of them ever worked in politics with advocacy groups? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. There is MCRGO, MCRGO Foundation, and MCRGO-PAC. Those are three different entities. MCRGO is the main group and a non profit corporation. MCRGO Foundation is a 501c3. MCRGO-PAC is a political action committee. It's a normal thing that many political groups do. That's all this is. Big flippin' deal. Each group has their purpose.

I've seen what they both sides had to say, and from what I've seen, there is NO EVIDENCE of any BS that goes on here. I'm the treasurer of a PAC, and also a political campaign. I have a good idea of what is going on, and it's all legit.

3,388 posted on 02/20/2002 8:11:41 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Jim Robinson
Yeah, they really are like the villains at the end of every Scooby Doo epiosode...."if it wasn't for that meddling Jim Robinson and all those pesky freepers, our plans would have WORKED, too!".

Thanks for this thread, it's the ultimate Scooby snack!

3,390 posted on 02/20/2002 9:21:44 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: M. Thatcher
The story Rush told about her parents was too funny. I got the sense that they had something to do with her backing down also...and to her credit, she did.
3,391 posted on 02/20/2002 9:25:28 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: M. Thatcher
Rats! I knew Joan Jett didn't feel right, but I couldn't think of Chrissy Hynde. Thanks.
3,392 posted on 02/20/2002 10:14:12 AM PST by Deb
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To: ruxtontowers
No, no, no...it was Chrissy Hynde. Sorry.
3,393 posted on 02/20/2002 10:16:22 AM PST by Deb
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To: Jim Robinson
This site infuriates lying two-faced liberals, just like the truth. We need Free Republic, and you do a great job. Thanks!!!!
3,394 posted on 02/20/2002 10:19:06 AM PST by gohabsgo
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To: Jim Robinson
Thank you for having a site where I can put in "MY TWO CENTS"

I think it is time for us to put "OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS".

The check is on the way !

REMEMBER ALL, FR is a FREE website that users WILLINGLY PAY FOR ! ! ! ! !

Question to ALL : How many other websites are there that are sucessful, using this DONATION SUPPORTED basis ???????

3,395 posted on 02/20/2002 10:36:38 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: summer
HI !

I don't think ads are a good idea. I hate getting on a website, and being deluged with ADS, OFFERS. Then the cookies your system has to eat !

Keep that brain thinking, you may come up with a better suggestion.

3,396 posted on 02/20/2002 10:40:25 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
:)! I'll try...
3,397 posted on 02/20/2002 10:53:08 AM PST by summer
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To: ferret_mike; Lazamataz
Laz, I'm pretty sure this isn't your ferret. You owe this ferret an apology for harming his reputation that way.
3,398 posted on 02/20/2002 11:39:12 AM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi
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To: Jim Robinson
BY ALL MEANS, KEEP IT GOING.
3,399 posted on 02/20/2002 11:45:59 AM PST by Great Dane
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi; ferret_mike
Laz, I'm pretty sure this isn't your ferret. You owe this ferret an apology for harming his reputation that way.

ferret_mike, please accept my sincere apologies for associating you in any way with the other poster known as ferret. :o)

3,400 posted on 02/20/2002 11:49:27 AM PST by Lazamataz
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