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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: Arator
You are a genuine pain in the rear.
1,181 posted on 11/29/2001 6:50:59 AM PST by BADJOE
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To: Jim Robinson
Don't let the few rule the many. I will go through withdrawal if FR goes away. I've made too many friends here!!!!
1,182 posted on 11/29/2001 6:51:24 AM PST by Betteboop
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To: Jim Robinson
This thread is hilarious and actually a very clever fund raiser. It reminds me of that TV preacher a couple of years ago who told his congregation that God told him if he did not collect millions of dollars from them very soon, that he would be "called home" (killed). Keep up the comedy.
1,183 posted on 11/29/2001 6:51:35 AM PST by fallclassicus
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks, Jim, for giving me the chance to "vent" a little bit here.

Free Republic is an outstanding website and serves a great purpose as a "meeting place" for conservatives. I became a member in the aftermath of last year's election while I was living outside the U.S., using it primarily as a source of information and to exchange comments about the election controversy.

My one criticism about the site is directly related to the concerns that people have raised here about "banned" posters. While I am generous enough to provide financial assistance as needed (I actually promised some support over the summer but had to address a more immediate charitable need that I shared with other Freepers), I must admit that the thought of writing a check to an organization that can remove me from its site at any time is a little disconcerting.

My suggestion, Jim, is that you develop a business plan that will include some kind of subscriber fee. You are paying $8,000 per month for bandwidth, but we are the ones who are using that bandwidth with our posts, our profile pages, etc. This will mean that a membership in Free Republic will essentially become a contractual relationship between you and your members, which will require a financial commitment from the members as well as a loosening of the content controls by Free Republic. Any poster who is banned from the site would be entitled to a full or pro-rated refund of the membership fees for the current month.

There are three major issues here, as far as I can tell:   1.) What is the optimal subscription rate that will allow you to cover your costs without chasing away large numbers of members?;   2.) Will you have to "dilute" the content of the site to make it attractive to people who are not currently members?; and 3.) Will there be any legal issues related to charging a fee for a site that allows members to post copyrighted stories from other media sources? Item #2 is a particularly intriguing one, since it introduces the possibility that the membership rolls will contain a large number of liberal Democrats.

Perhaps other Freepers can come up with some ideas for a good revenue stream that will allow you to keep any subscription fee to a minimum.

Let me know if there is any way I can help you develop this idea further.

1,184 posted on 11/29/2001 6:52:23 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, we both know that FR is a fraud. Thank you for making up all of those thousands of screen-names, all of those "local" reports, those logical and illogical arguments (I don't know how you keep more than a few of them straight), and otherwise doing all of this just to entertain me. It is also amazing how you coordinate all of those world-events so that that they correlate to what you've prepared here for me to read.

Thanks, Jim.

1,185 posted on 11/29/2001 6:52:42 AM PST by lepton
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To: Jim Robinson
Even considering all the wierdos and "tin-hatters", I would pay $10/mo. Never relent!
1,186 posted on 11/29/2001 6:53:16 AM PST by lawdude
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,

Just made my first contribution to FR. I wish it could have been more.

FR is much too important to the Nation to back away from the fight.

If it takes more dollars, I'll give as is possible after my kids education costs allow!!

CS
1,187 posted on 11/29/2001 6:53:44 AM PST by CaptSkip
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To: LJLucido
I wouldn't mind if you sell advertising on the site.
1,188 posted on 11/29/2001 6:53:53 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Commonsense; Memother; Taxman; Smartaleck; Bigun; IronJack; Grendelgrey; ATOMIC_PUNK; antivenom
Ping
1,189 posted on 11/29/2001 6:54:29 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: diotima
Hi Dio! Glad to see you again under "these" lights. Didn't think it was actually gonna happen again. It won't last long anyways, they have a new "nuke user" feature and they're gonna test it on me. I'm "Banned man Walking".

It was fun while it lasted.

Best Holiday Wishes to you!
Callahan

1,190 posted on 11/29/2001 6:54:47 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Jim Robinson
Sustainability and growth require resources. Freerepublic, apparently has thousands of resources in the form of its subscribers. Direction has previously been provided to it to show how individuals can contribute, not cash, but a few hours of their time to create intellectual property that can serve as a form of equity that could generate cash from sales of services related to politics, law, and information. Such a 'cash cow' could have been a separate but associated legal entity for those freepers who were interested to investing, not cash, but some labor. It was called 'Venture Labor' and it's investment would ultimately yield a cash return to all labor-investors. There is little difference in the value of cash and the value of labor in the information industry. It's likely that the value of labor is worth more than the cash. Afterall, corporations make a profit on labor demonstrating that the laborer is undervalued. So labor can be invested and the investor can receive a financial return on the investment. If you think about it, all you need to create wealth are your inalienable rights, particularly your right to think, assemble, speak, and contract. You can do all these things over the net. And recent government rules have amplified the protections for intellectual property. What freepers need to appeciate is that the 'real farm' and the 'real mine' has turned into the 'knowledge and information farm' and the 'data mine'. What they haven't yet learned is the significance of real trust, real freedom, real entrepreneurship and real innovation.
1,191 posted on 11/29/2001 6:56:04 AM PST by MtnMover
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To: Jim Robinson
Bump.
1,192 posted on 11/29/2001 6:56:16 AM PST by EternalHope
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To: Umanbean
I can't imagine a day without FR. During the period from Sept. 11 until mid-October, my firm was ousted from our building at 1 Libery Plaza across from the World Trade Center. I was without a computer at home and no internet access at our temporary office in mid-town, That was a bleak and unsettling time for me. I couldn't "talk" to my FR friends or hear the latest goings-on from your "no-spin" forum. Watching news reports from CNN or MSNBC (my cable company did not air Fox at the time)was a less than acceptable way to hear the news. I felt isolated and dejected. When we finally got back online, the first thing I did was log onto FR and try to get caught up.
Is FR a fraud? Is it time for FR to go away? Not if I can help it. So my daughter will get one less Christmas gift or we will do without something or another so we can contribute to the next fund-raiser. Judging by the overwhelming response of Freepers, I am not alone in saying that FR has become an institution and must be preserved. Like Badjoe always says, "Eagles Up."
1,193 posted on 11/29/2001 6:56:48 AM PST by stanz
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To: BADJOE
Please ping me for the Freepathon, Badjoe.

Jim, you are a treasure and FR is a guiding light. Please keep the fires burning.

1,194 posted on 11/29/2001 6:57:07 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,

1. What arrangements are being made to pay the $105,000 Winston & Strawn bill in the Eschoir matter? Did you have any idea the bill would be this large?

2. What is the status of the appeal in the LAT/WP matter? Who is FR's attorney, now that Clarity has left the case?

3. Why is it costing twice as much to run FR today as it did last March, what with all of John's bandwidth improvements?

4. Did FR raise $7,300 for non-profit filings? If so, how was that money spent?

5. Who owns the forum software?

6. How is FR's revenue reported for state and federal tax purposes?

I have many more questions, but these will keep you busy for awhile. Thanks in advance for your answers, and the opportunity to question you!

1,195 posted on 11/29/2001 6:59:49 AM PST by Z2
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To: Jim Robinson
Oops! Should have been posted to you!
I can't imagine a day without FR. During the period from Sept. 11 until mid-October, my firm was ousted from our building at 1 Libery Plaza across from the World Trade Center. I was without a computer at home and no internet access at our temporary office in mid-town, That was a bleak and unsettling time for me. I couldn't "talk" to my FR friends or hear the latest goings-on from your "no-spin" forum. Watching news reports from CNN or MSNBC (my cable company did not air Fox at the time)was a less than acceptable way to hear the news. I felt isolated and dejected. When we finally got back online, the first thing I did was log onto FR and try to get caught up.
Is FR a fraud? Is it time for FR to go away? Not if I can help it. So my daughter will get one less Christmas gift or we will do without something or another so we can contribute to the next fund-raiser. Judging by the overwhelming response of Freepers, I am not alone in saying that FR has become an institution and must be preserved. Like Badjoe always says, "Eagles Up."
1,196 posted on 11/29/2001 7:00:31 AM PST by stanz
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To: Jim Robinson
just gave $200.00 to keep it going. I wil pay more if needed.It is my only source to get information as newspaper and television media cannot be trusted to tell the whole truth. I am proud to say i am a freeper and direct as many people as i can to this site for real info.
1,197 posted on 11/29/2001 7:00:42 AM PST by robjna
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim what ever you do,KEEP IT!You need help,ask!You've got my email,let me know!
1,198 posted on 11/29/2001 7:00:56 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: brityank
thanks for the heads up. I believe in FR and ask God to bless America thru it. God bless JR too and his family. Is there someway that JR could figure a price guide for the freepers that are willing to support FR?

Like, 'if every freeper could give ___________ per month we could meet the dead line each month. 25.00........50.00.....what?

1,199 posted on 11/29/2001 7:00:58 AM PST by Jackie222
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To: RightOnline; Inspector Harry Callahan
I am going to speak out in Harry's defense on this one.

I have NEVER seen Harry step over the line as far as civility goes. Of course I am not on the forum 24/7, only 23/6 *g*. Although people tend to classify Harry as "ecentric", I have never seen him return some of the hostility and nastiness directed at him for expressing his views. This is my opinion.

I think Harry took exception to what he perceived to be a public mischaracterization of his behavior here.

1,200 posted on 11/29/2001 7:01:26 AM PST by diotima
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