Posted on 11/24/2001 10:05:49 AM PST by ChaseR
Just a few minutes ago, at 1:45pm CST, I got through on the JW Sat. Radio program and asked this key question:
"Is Judicial Watch going to refile the all-important Loral Shareholders case?"
(here is the reply from Larry Klayman himself:
"The Loral case has been refiled in Judge Lamberth's court and even though this case is moving along slowly, it is has been refiled."
(I didn't tape my question or Mr Klayman's reply, but above is basically what was stated)
Another tired old democRAT tactic. Katze is another who would have us believe the Clinton gang did a great job investigating what happened. But katze is also another who won't address the facts in the case. He has no answer for ANY of the questions I just asked Howlin ... like why doesn't a single government report mention the opinions of those pathologists or the x-ray/photo evidence supporting their opinions.
Katze is also one who would have you believe that Bush and his staff are so incompetent that they are unaware of the accusations being made here with regard to the Brown case. Why else would he keep suggesting that I write Bush/Ashcroft to tell them about this ... and stop posting on this forum? He wants me to go away but I'm not leaving.
And, besides, he misses the point. THIS isn't about Brown. It's about exposing katze, Howlin and all the others who keep pushing the "move-on" philosophy for what they are. They aren't the conservatives they claim to be because they demonstrably RUN from the FACTS whenever you challenge their "move-on" mantra (a decidely democRAT debating characteristic) ... and because they seem to want to ignore the law just like the democRATS did. They would have us believe that EVERYONE in the Bush administration is TOO BUSY to investigate CREDIBLE accusations of MASS MURDER and TREASON and ELECTION TAMPERING (and MUCH more) by the other party. Now do EXCUSES get any lamer than that? NO EXCUSES.
Gee ... might it have something to do with the FACT that the democRATS controlled the DOJ, FBI, IRS, MILITARY, JUDICIAL SYSTEM and MAINSTREAM MEDIA for 8 long years? And you want us to believe you are a conservative! LOL! And it is easy. Just exhume and autopsy Brown's body in the presence of some of the whistleblowers in the case (so we can trust the results).
It really is time for people to start supporting Pres Bush, and stop the whining about what he hasn't done *yet*, and give the man a chance to continue what he's accomplished, to date.
Who says we are not supportive of Bush? I am. Very. As much as you. Infact, I have a better opinion of him than you because I'm not asking him to ignore credible evidence of mass murder, treason, election tampering and who knows how many other crimes. I think he's a better man than that. I hope he's a better man than that. But you ARE asking him to ignore serious crimes. Now why do you suppose I question your party affiliation?
Of course not, katze. But do you believe that the DOJ could keep secret an INVESTIGATION involving testimony from HUNDREDS of people (many of them BAD GUYS who would lawyer up at the first sign of such an investigation) (many of whom would have their lawyers talking to the media at the first WHIFF of an investigation) (many of whom would be SQUEALING to their party leaders to stop any investigation) (many of them people on our side who would want us to know that something was going on) without SOME sign that such a large investigation were going on? No way.
Do you know of Ch. Criminal Division, Michael Chertoff? Do you remember when Chertoff was the chief counsel for the Whitewater hearings? Do you remember how he exposed every wart on Hubbel's fat fanny, and stopped only when ordered to by Al D'Amato? Do you believe that Chertoff and his crew aren't doing anything, now that the shoe is on the other foot?
Show us a sign, katze ... ANY indication at all that this is happening? I can show you plenty of indications that the Bush administration is just "movin-on".
You need to find a hobby, or a friend to talk with, since you spend too much time whining about things that 1) you know very little about
Care to debate the FACTS katze. Let's see whose knowledge is more complete.
and 2) even if you do know, don't have enough sense to know that one lengthy, repetitive and meaningless post after another aren't going to change things overnight.
RUN katze. RUN from the FACTS in the Brown case, like you have on every other occasion. Tell us why in the first 8 months of the Bush administration there wasn't ONE SIGN that the many crimes committed by the DNC and Clinton mafia were being investigated? How long must we wait to see some movement? You know and I know that one of the primary methods used by the Clinton administration to get away with their criminal activities was to DELAY DELAY DELAY and then DELAY some more.
Explain to us why we should trust THIS administration when there is not the least sign they are going to even investigate the crimes the democRATS committed. After the Clinton experience, I'm no longer willing to just put my FAITH in ANY party that treats the law so casuallly. NO MORE EXCUSES. A time of war is NOT the time to stop defending our system of laws and justice. A time of war is NOT the time to stop defending the sanctity of our election process. A time of war is NOT the time to decide MURDER and TREASON don't matter.
You don't know what was done during those 8 mos re investigations.
Provide ONE indication that investigations are underway. Bet you can't. And NOONE here, who isn't a "move-on'er" will believe you when you claim they are ... schussssss ... SUPER secret.
And about damned time you start supporting the president, you ungrateful pup.
Run katze. Run like democRATS and NEW Republicans (who treat the law the same way as democRATS) ALWAYS do.
And, you are wrong. I'm VERY grateful that Gore isn't in office. I'm VERY grateful for the outstanding job that the Bush administration, our military and all the other people fighting these terrorists are doing. I'm grateful for the way they are putting their lives on the line to protect people like me, this fine nation and what it stands for. And I'll be even more grateful if the Bush administration does the proper thing and INVESTIGATES the crimes the DNC and Clinton mafia seem to think they got away with ... so that once again this will be a country where the laws apply equally to those who govern and those governed.
You are such a "jokester". But let's get serious.
Let's discuss why you seem to want to destroy the credibility of Klayman's PAST WORK in Chinagate, Filegate, Emailgate and the death of Ron Brown. Let's discuss why you apparently want to see the murders and treason, committed by democRATS the last 9 years, go uninvestigated and unprosecuted. How about that? Let's discuss the case of Ron Brown ... or are you going to run from the topic like you always do?
Let's discuss your failure to cite even ONE INSTANCE in Chinagate, Filegate, Emailgate or the death of Brown where Klayman told an untruth. You suggested Klayman lied when he said Nolanda Hill says Brown told Clinton that he was going to turn state's evidence. Yet you don't seem able to provide even ONE INSTANCE where Klayman was misleading or lying during that time when we all hailed Klayman.
Tell us why you had no response when I pointed out that were Klayman lying about Nolanda Hill's testimony, she would surely have denied his claim ... but she didn't. Why do you think that is? If he were lying about her testimony the liberal media, hating Klayman like it does, would have picked up any denial and published it on the front page. Where are those headlines? They don't exist, do they? Were his claim a lie, then the three judge panel that he submitted the claim to when he requested that the Brown case be reopened should have reprimanded Klayman for making false claims ... but they didn't, did they? No, you apparently hate Klayman so much that you are willing to discredit ANYTHING he learned during those dark years ... and thus let Clinton and the DNC get away with MASS MURDER and TREASON.
And why did you try to make Ron Brown's situation as something it was not. You kept repeating the claim that Brown was "on top of the world" when in fact he was under investigation by literally everyone and was clearly about to be indicted (as his wife and son ALREADY had been) for a long list of serious crimes. He had hired a $750 hour lawyer (indicating how serious his plight was).
You even suggested that Brown had absolutely "no motive" for turning state's evidence. Now THAT sure doesn't jibe with the facts. Here was a guy at a focal point in Chinagate and campaign finance illegalities, whose world was rapidly falling apart, who was facing years in prison unless he struck a deal with a prosecutor that even Reno couldn't control ... and you say he had "no motive" for talking. And after saying there was no motive, you then said you believe he was murdered, possibly by Clinton's people. But when I asked you to provide a motive in that case, you didn't respond. The obvious motive was the one staring you in the face but you hate Klayman so much that you'd rather dismiss it than see Klayman get ANY credit for ferreting out the truth.
Finally, tell me why you tried to pass the photo of Brown's wound off as the result of an "autopsy" during a previous discussion. When I challenged you on this, you just ran from the thread, rather than admit that it was NOT the result of an autopsy in the criminal sense of the word. Recently, you tried to repeat the claim. You ran when I challenged you that time too. The WHOLE POINT of the Brown matter is that there was no autopsy and there should have been.
And here you are again ... with a witty (sarcasm) one-liner.
No Howlin. It's not because you disagree. It's because you disagree without being willing to state your reasons ... the facts that justify your opinion. THAT is a decidely democRAT characteristic. It's because you said you don't believe Brown was murdered and won't tell us why. It's because you've said you think those who think Foster didn't commit suicide give the GOP a bad name ... but won't tell us why. It's because you've implied that Linda Tripp is a liar and that there wasn't really anything to Chinagate, Filegate, Emailgate, etc. etc. etc.. THOSE are the reasons I've suggested you might be a democRAT pretending to be a conservative. Now if you are FINALLY ready to discuss the FACTS, then maybe I'll change my mind. Who knows ... you might even convince me that Brown wasn't murdered. But "just the facts" please.
You do.
You continue to argue with me, telling me I am wrong. That is YOUR problem. You are obsessed with it.
And don't bother to post back to me, asking me why I don't believe he was murdered. I have a right to believe what I believe, just as you have a right to continue your obsession.
It's getting kind of old, not to mention lame.
Lame. Lame.
If you've read the information then you should be able to explain away those FACTS I asked you about. Why do you BELIEVE a government report that contains demonstrable LIES? (that's a democRAT characteristic, you know)
For example, what does the report say about the presence of bone in in the wound? Gormley (having read ALL the information on the case, you of course know who he is) stated several times that one of the reasons he ruled it a blunt force trauma is that he saw bone in the wound. But when challenged YEARS LATER with the head x-ray (which was available during the examination) and photo of the wound (which he saw firsthand) ... he quickly retracted that statement and said he was "mistaken". Others present at the examination are also on record saying that there was no bone visible in the wound ... saying that they said so DURING the examination when they were calling for the autopsy that Gormley denied. So what does the report say about these FACTS, Howlin? Prove to us its not a coverup.
And don't bother to post back to me, asking me why I don't believe he was murdered. I have a right to believe what I believe, just as you have a right to continue your obsession.
You'd like me to go away but I won't. Here again, you act JUST LIKE A DEMOCRAT stating that it is your RIGHT to BELIEVE what you WANT to believe ... regardless of the FACTS. JUST LIKE A DEMOCRAT. EYES WIDE SHUT.
I just don't believe it.
And even I had believed it, after reading all your rants, I'd change my opinion. I don't want to be on your side in ANY argument. You're blinded by your obsession.
Gee. You sure don't sound like a conservative. Conservatives DEMAND justification.
You're blinded by your obsession.
I freely admit to an obsession ... wanting my children to grow up in a country where the leaders ALSO have to obey the law. I suspect the founders of our great nation shared that OBSESSION so I'm in good company. Pity that democRATS and NEW Republicans don't seem to share that desire. It doesn't bold well for future of "The Republic".
319 posted on 11/28/01 10:53 AM Pacific by BeAChooser
First of all, you've absolutely stumped me, or your vocabulary is so far above mine, well I just can't compete.
Next, Howlin has been vetted on FR long ago; I have no reason to *not* be friendly with her; you have no idea what her beliefs are; you, OTOH, are a fly-by-night, one-trick pony.
Next, it is none of your business what I believe about Brown's death, and I have no intention of discussing with you.
Pin me down? You can't pin on, or down, your own diaper. Pin me down? Nah, I RUN too fast, remember? LOL
Okay, you do the order, then come back when it has been done; but please, please stay away until then. You're gonna give yourself a headache.
You do support Pres Bush? Then give the man a chance to get something done, and unless you have more insight than is indicated in your posts, you don't know who's done what, to date.
Who is "we"? Mouse in your pocket?
Wrong, one-note, you couldn't possibly have a better opinion of Pres Bush. You're full of it, as usual. Get lost.
Sure I do.
She SAID she doesn't believe Brown was murdered (but won't tell us the reason why other than to ... recently ... allude to the official report ... a report which DEMONSTRABLY LIES about the facts in the case). She has also suggested in numerous previous discussions the other views I noted. A good question is why you keep popping up on threads to defend her ... and guy737sw and several others who have demonstrated a willingness to run from or be dishonest about the Ron Brown facts.
Next, it is none of your business what I believe about Brown's death, and I have no intention of discussing with you.
But it is, since you have argued on multiple occasions that we should MOVE ON with regards to the Clinton/DNC crimes. Understanding what you believe about specific instances allows us to better judge your motivations for wanting to give Clinton and his mafia a free pass on this and other transgressions. It is because you have on some occasions (like during our first discussion) implied that you believe he was murdered, but on other occasions (like earlier in this thread) implied that he was not murdered. Which is it? You seem to pick whichever view is convenient at the moment ... how very Clintonesc.
Pin me down? You can't pin on, or down, your own diaper.
Why don't you argue the merits of the Brown facts, katze?
Sorry. But not about you being a she. Nothing wrong with that! Although women do TEND to support democRATS based on BELIEF and FEELINGS over FACTS. Don't THEY.
The only belief I've expoused (whatever the hell that is) on here is that I believe Larry Klayman is a shyster and crook.
Oh, yeah. And I also believe evidence has to be PROVED IN A COURT OF LAW to be considered THE TRUTH or THE FACTS.
BAC doesn't agree. Shocking, isn't it?
Your usual demeaning (i.e., democRAT), FACTLESS (i.e., democRAT) post. I simply ask you to provide ANY indication that the crimes of the DNC and Clinton's in Chinagate, Filegate, Emailgate, the death of Brown or the death of Foster were being investigated in the 8 months prior to the WTC attack, and this is all you can say? Tell you what, just provide a believable explanation why there hasn't been any indication IF, infact, such investigations were underway as you are NOW implying. Keep in mind that the investigations will necessarily involve HUNDREDS of witnesses, many of them hostile who would lawyer up and go to the press at the first hint of investigation. Keep in mind that the investigation would necessarily involve interviewing PATRIOTS who for 8 years stood out on a limb ALONE against Clinton and his mafia and would like nothing better than to tell the press "I TOLD YOU SO". Tell us why NOT ONE of these hundreds of people have leaked even a HINT of the investigation to the mainstream media or conservative media. NOT ONE. Make us believe in your ... schuuuussss ... SUPER SECRET investigation ... IF YOU CAN.
Who is "we"? Mouse in your pocket?
No katze. Since you are reading impaired, let me help you. The "we" are the "people" who are "whining about what he hasn't done *yet*" on this thread with regards to INVESTIGATING and PROSECUTING the crimes of the DNC and Clinton administration the last 9 years.
Wrong, one-note, you couldn't possibly have a better opinion of Pres Bush.
But I do. You clearly don't want him to obey the oath of office that he took and enforce the laws of this nation. I have better expectations of him. He just needs a little nudge to remind him and his staff what is at stake.
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