EXCELLENT NEWS-LARRY KLAYMAN JUST SAID THAT THE LORAL SHAREHOLDERS CASE - *** HAS BEEN REFILED ***

Judicial Watch ^ | 11/24/01 | Larry Klayman

[ChaseR]

Just a few minutes ago, at 1:45pm CST, I got through on the JW Sat. Radio program and asked this key question:

"Is Judicial Watch going to refile the all-important Loral Shareholders case?"

(here is the reply from Larry Klayman himself:

"The Loral case has been refiled in Judge Lamberth's court and even though this case is moving along slowly, it is has been refiled."

(I didn't tape my question or Mr Klayman's reply, but above is basically what was stated)

[katze]

"You know ... I'd be willing to accept that answer if you could point to ANY indication that Ashcroft was investigating ANY of the alleged crimes (pardonGate does NOT count) in the EIGHT MONTHS prior to the WTC attack. But I don't think you can. So what was the EXCUSE in those 8 months for not even BEGINNING an investigation of such serious matters as TREASON, MURDER and ELECTION TAMPERING?" from the inimitable BeAChooser

Now really, BeAC, do you believe that AG Ashcroft, or any of his Division Chiefs are going to tell you, daily, what they're doing? Do you know of Ch. Criminal Division, Michael Chertoff? Do you remember when Chertoff was the chief counsel for the Whitewater hearings? Do you remember how he exposed every wart on Hubbel's fat fanny, and stopped only when ordered to by Al D'Amato? Do you believe that Chertoff and his crew aren't doing anything, now that the shoe is on the other foot?

You need to find a hobby, or a friend to talk with, since you spend too much time whining about things that 1) you know very little about and 2) even if you do know, don't have enough sense to know that one lengthy, repetitive and meaningless post after another aren't going to change things overnight.

Yeah, about the WTC. Got a problem with what Ragtime Cowgirl pointed out that Pres Bush did before? You don't know what was done during those 8 mos re investigations. But since you think you know so much, why not do as I suggested during one of your recent Ron Brown rants--write a reasonable letter to AG Ashcroft and tell him exactly what you *know* and why he should prosecute whomever is directly responsible--I'm sure you know whom to accuse. Right?

And if you really want to point a finger and either whine or gripe, there is always the traitor, Jim Jeffords, who jumped ship so he could have a committee chair, and get more money for his VT cowherders--that is what you should be thinking about. And about damned time you start supporting the president, you ungrateful pup.

[Mudboy Slim]

"It is so tiresome to hear these moaners and groaners rehashing their favorite tales."

There ARE a lot of folks who are so cynically-despondent about our Judicial System that that can't see how an energized DoJ could ever muster the gumption to take after Clinton's crimes, and they come up with all sorts of excuses to fit their WorldView. However, I believe Dubyuh and whoever he gets to run the DoJ SHALL Do What's Right and Indict/Convict/Imprison the Guilty from the past Administration...if he doesn't, there'll be a whole lotta pissed off Conservatives who'll justifiably feel schnookered and aren't gonna be much help to the GOP and Dubyuh in the upcoming elections. Dubyuh has to understand that "Moving On" just ain't a viable option!!

"If it is so easy to solve these deaths, etc, why haven't they done it? By this time, all BeAChooser's posts about Ron Brown should have come to someone's attention."

Who's even tried so far?! Every time someone started to make any headway, Butch Reno would commandeer the case to the DoJ and blatantly Obstruct Justice!! A real DoJ should have no problem making all sorts of charges stick against BillyBob and the Buttboys!!

FReegards...MUD

[Mudboy Slim]

"...do you believe that AG Ashcroft, or any of his Division Chiefs are going to tell you, daily, what they're doing?"

No, but I do believe he could "leak" something that indicates the importance he places on bringing KlintonKronies to Justice for the dastardly crimes they committed over the last eight years!!

FReegards...MUD

[katze]

"if he doesn't, there'll be a whole lotta pissed off Conservatives"

And I'll be one of them, but I believe something will be done. The Dems will fight like there's no tomorrow, but time for them to learn, too, that criminal presidents and senators deserve prison just like the rest of us.

[katze]

No, but I do believe he could "leak" something that indicates the importance he places on bringing KlintonKronies to Justice for the dastardly crimes they committed over the last eight years!!

263 posted on 11/27/01 2:10 PM Pacific by Mudboy Slim

And let the bastards prepare themselves to destroy Ashcroft? I think better to let them do their work, and hit 'em hard and without warning. If you recall, one of Chertoff's people already nabbed some woman who was working with Cuba.

[Mudboy Slim]

"I believe something will be done. The Dems will fight like there's no tomorrow, but time for them to learn, too, that criminal presidents and senators deserve prison just like the rest of us."

Yep...I share your Faith in Dubyuh's integrity and Lust Fer Justice and agree that a Lesson fer the Effete Elite is long overdue!!

FReegards...MUD

[Mudboy Slim]

"...let the bastards prepare themselves to destroy Ashcroft?"

While I believe Ashcroft is a genuinely-good man, I'm not sure he's got the cajones to do what Dubyuh's Attorney General has got to do...I wouldn't be surprised to see Ashcroft RESIGN and fer Dubyuh to name Rudy "Newsweak's Man of the Year" Guiliani as the new AG!!

I can just see Rudy beggin' the Vast, LeftWing Medyuh Whore'd to "Bring It On, Lib'rals!! Just bring it on!!"

FReegards...MUD

[VA Advogado]

One thing we DO know is that ChaseR and BeAChooser must not have ANYBODY to spend the holidays with, eh? Why else would they have had so much time on their hands over the holiday?

I understand they're all going over Miss Print's for cookies and to open their homemade Christmas subpoenas.

[katze]

#267 You could be right about Ashcroft, but if Pres Bush and the entire Repub Party let it be known they back him, he may carry it out. I believe the same about Rudy or anyone else who's in the position. The Dems have crucified anyone who spoke out against the Clintons--time to accuse the Dems, too, of obstructing justice, and scare the hell out of them. FNC could help, and if the other newsies (if they can be called that) would have to join in, if they want any audience at all.

The election showed a sincere interest in the Repubs hanging in when it counts, and they need to do it over and over until they do it routinely. Problem, tho', with the Dems so desperate to stay in for the Senate, and get in for the House, if we think we've seen vote fraud in the past, it is gonna be much worse in '02. If I had a choice of one to send to the pokey, it would be that louse, McAuliffe, as he is as dirty as it gets, and willing to do whatever necessary.

[Iwo Jima]

."It would be interesting to see what Web Pacer has on the court document regarding this."

Funny that you should ask!

The official court records show that the original suit -- 98-CV-2859 -- was filed on 11/24/98 in D.C. federal district court with the jurisdictional basis being question (i.e., RICO). There were some ancillary state law claims such as a shareholder's derivative suit. The Plaintiffs were W. L. Meng, S.S. Jones, and Roy and Joan Gillison against Defendants Loral, Scwhartz, both Clintons, Terry MacAuliffe, and others. There appears to have been no substantive activity in the case.

In the fall of 1999, the Defendants started to file Motions to Dismiss. There were lots of pleadings back and forth about the dismissal for about a year. Finally, on 9/25/00, Judge Lamberth dismissed the federal (RICO) claims with prejudice (meaning that they could not be re-filed) and dismissed the state court claims without prejudice.

I believe that Bayourod posted Judge Lamberth's memorandum opinion which stated that he believed that the same reasons which caused him to dismiss the RICO claims would in his opinion also cause the state court claims to be subject to dismissal. But he advised the Plaintiffs to go back to state court and file their state law claims, if they wished, and that the state court would have to rule upon them. The court dismissed the case and closed the file.

I think that it was you, Deport, who posted the press release from JW in which Tom Fitton stated that JW would file an appeal of Judge Lamberth's dismissal of the RICO claims and would refile the remainder of the case in state court. But they did neither.

.On 10/10/00, the Plaintiffs filed a motion to alter or amend the judgment, which the Court did not rule upon. I am not sure if there is a period of time in federal court after which such a motion is overruled by operation of law or if the mere filing of the motion can keep the case active through infinity.

On 7/9/01 Judge Lamberth denied the motion to alter or amend the judgment. On 8/7/01 the Plaintiffs filed an appeal.

Also, on 8/8/01, Plaintiffs filed another suit based on their state law claims -- not in the applicable state as Judge Lamberth had instructed, but in federal district court for Washington, D.C. The reason for jurisdiction this time was not federal question (i.e., RICO), but diversity, meaning that the dispute was about state law but between citizens of different states (forgive me, Deport, for being so condescending -- I know that you know all of this stuff but I am trying to be informative for our non-lawyer Freepers).

Because some of the Plaintffs were citizens of the State of Virginia, all of the original Defendants who were citizens of the State of Virginia had to be dropped. This includes, among others, TERRY MACAULIFFE, WHO IS NO LONGER AND NEVER WILL BE A DEFENDANT IN ANY LORAL SHAREHOLDERS SUIT OR IN ANY CIVIL SUIT REGARDING THE SELLING OF OUR NATIONAL SECRETS TO THE CHINESE COMMUNISTS. [I don't have the heart to break this to ChaseR -- can one of you do it?]

As to why Larry Klayman would refile this case in a court where the judge has already stated that he doesn't think that even the state law case has merit, you would have to ask Mr. Klayman. I think that I know the answer [$$$$$$$], but I would like for Mr. Klayman to explain it for himself.

As to the new case (01-CV-1715), it has taken four months for people to get served and make an appearance. Nothing substantive has been done. The latest activity is that on 11/16/01 the Defendants filed a motion to stay all proceedings until the appeal on the related case is resolved.

And, no, I do not know how long it will be before Judge Lamberth dismisses this case as he did the first one.

[Iwo Jima]

"jurisdictional basis being question" should read "jurisdictional basis being FEDERAL question."

I hate it when that happens!

[deport]

#270 .... Iwo, thanks a million for the info. I could never find anything on the JW web site and usually larr will post any filings or activity immediately... Again thanks for your time and effort in running the info down.

[Miss Marple]

I can think of a reason why one would file in the ONLY state court which said they didn't think it had merit. One would do that if one wanted to get publicity but did not want to actually continue with the suit. Especially if one is also being funded by people from the other side of the aisle, which is something I have maintained for some time.

Once again, I say that until JW releases its donor and expense records, I will continue to believe they are being funded in large part by the DNC and Senator Pantsuit.

[Irma]

I didn't respond previously on this thread because I just couldn't figure out what was newsworthy about a case being filed (or re-filed). Anyone can file anything any day of the week in any court.

It doesn't mean a thing or carry any weight until the judge decides to even hear the case.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

I still believe this assertion that Dubyuh is unwilling to hold Clinton accountable due to the alleged dirt the Left's got on Bush, Sr. is unfounded in the Truth. Dubyuh's daddy may not have been a Saint, but he was no Rapist, no Mass-Murderer, no Traitor, and no Tyrant...all things that Bill Clinton most certainly WAS and IS!!

Well said, Mud. They are very different kinds of men.

[deport]

MM they refiled in DC Federal Court again after being dismissed by Judge Lamberth and told they could persue in the state courts. But they didn't, choosing instead to refile in the DC Federal Court. So maybe your premise is at least worth considering.

[deport]

It doesn't mean a thing or carry any weight until the judge decides to even hear the case.

or dismiss it as he has done in the past.

[Howlin]

TERRY MACAULIFFE, WHO IS NO LONGER AND NEVER WILL BE A DEFENDANT IN ANY LORAL SHAREHOLDERS SUIT OR IN ANY CIVIL SUIT REGARDING THE SELLING OF OUR NATIONAL SECRETS TO THE CHINESE COMMUNISTS

ROFLMAO!!! Think of the wasted bandwidth!!

[Iwo Jima]

My dear Miss Marple, for whom I hold the highest possible regard.

I think that your first premise is the more correct one. I think that your "pantsuit" theory is not well- founded. I have been as close to the situation as one can hope to be and still maintain one's objectivity, and I can honestly say that I do not believe that there is any connection between JW and "She" Who Must be Avoided. If that is true, then I totally missed it, and I am usually quite perceptive.

However, as usual, your mere presence has added so much to the evening, and I look forward to hearing from you again.

[Iwo Jima]

"Think of the wasted bandwidth!!"

And to think that I mispelled McAuliffe!

How you doin', hon?