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Security panel to call for national identity cards
Newsday.com ^ | 11/14/01 | MARC HUMBERT (AP Writer)

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:01 PM PST by LuvItOrLeaveIt

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:32 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: AgThorn
Asked about civil liberty objections to national ID cards, Goodman said, "The Constitution does give the right to privacy, but not the right to anonymity.

***BBBBZZZZTTTTT!!!*** I'm sorry; that answer is not correct.

21 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:49 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Benighted; AnnaZ
"But-if-we're-doing-nothing-wrong-we've-got-nothing-to-worry-about-right?"
22 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:08 PM PST by Mercuria
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To: Wolfhound77; Operation America; Benighted; Keeper of the Flame; sauropod; seattlesue...
Now couple this with the new anti-terrorism laws and the UN call for global disarmanent and s standing army to enter any nation they choose.

Global Disarmament - No Reading Between the Lines Required**

**with many thanks to Operation America for "hosting" this column of mine...they were the inspiration and the "caffeine" behind this!

23 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:17 PM PST by Mercuria
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To: AgThorn
Asked about civil liberty objections to national ID cards, Goodman said, "The Constitution does give the right to privacy, but not the right to anonymity."

The constitution does not confer rights. It enumerates them. It also says in the ninth amendment that the rights enumerated there are just some of the rights and that others exist.

True... have to remember that one.

Therefore, it's false, and you might as well forget it.

24 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:18 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: redrock
".....national identity cards"

Not on my watch.

When you hear that they found a national ID card on me, correct them, saying, "it was planted on his body".

25 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:19 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson

26 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:58 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
Nice little cartoon, thanks. Does it have any specific relation to my post to you?
27 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:00 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Not just to you, TJ, but to all that think that an ID means the end of freedom as we know it ... the cartoon is most applicable.
28 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:56 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: ThomasJefferson
although that FIRST cartoon, now that I look at it is probably a slap on our own attorney general and that WAS not my intent ... must have been a liberal rag I got it from!! ;-)
29 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:56 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
I won't have one. They are going to put microchips in those things.

The greatest president of the 20th century had this same idea floated to him. President Reagan responded, "Why don't we just print 666 on them?"

The issue was never brought up again in that administration.

30 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:51 PM PST by LuvItOrLeaveIt
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To: LuvItOrLeaveIt
A special anti-terrorism committee created in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center will call for creation of a national identification card system, its chairman said Wednesday.

Well, these guys sure seem hell bent on creating deep divisions within American society during our time of crisis. I would think they would want us united during such a time, but no, these power junkies just have to have more control.

Many of us flatly refuse to carry national ID. No law, no argument, nothing anyone can do will possibly change our minds. We just aren't going to do it, consequences be damned.

So we who refuse ID will be persecuted and there will be infighting among Americans.

And our real enemies will smile and laugh at our misfortune.

How stupid and counterproductive, and completely predictable.

31 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:55 PM PST by freeeee
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To: AgThorn
Not just to you, TJ, but to all that think that an ID means the end of freedom as we know it ... the cartoon is most applicable.

I never said that and I would like to know what makes you think that I am a chicken little.

After thinking about your statement (which I never made) that a national ID card would end our freedom as we know it, I would have to conclude that it indeed would. Freedom, as we have known it, never included being required to present a national ID card on demand or reveal all the personal information included on the card. We were free to go where we pleased without identifing ourselves to the government as long as we didn't break any laws. That is freedom as we knew it. That will change.

Now you need to make the case that this is exactly the freedom as we have known it when we lose that ability. Or concede that freedom "as we knew it" will end.

32 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:57 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
My apologies if I read too much into your remark of:
When you hear that they found a national ID card on me, correct them, saying, "it was planted on his body".
Yes, our freedom will be different with a card versus without it. Freedom WITH borders is different than without them. The other extreme is to listen to the one world order types and drop the borders ... we are in an uncomfortable position right now, and I choose better citizen identification.
33 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:15 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
we are in an uncomfortable position right now, and I choose better citizen identification.

Choose it for yourself. I'll tell you again, it won't be found on me unless it's planted.

I hate tyrants who usurp my rights, whether they are foreign or domestic. The second amendment was written for this eventuality.

34 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Demosthenes
Why bother with high-tech when low-tech will do?


35 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:45 PM PST by Fixit
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To: AgThorn
Freedom WITH borders is different than without them.

Orwell said it best:

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

WAR IS PEACE

On this topic, anyway, I prefer Rand:

A is A


36 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:46 PM PST by Fixit
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To: Sabertooth
BTTT
37 posted on 07/27/2002 2:12:37 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: LuvItOrLeaveIt
President Reagan responded, "Why don't we just print 666 on them?"

Martin Anderson, former aide to President Reagan, writes of a cabinet meeting at which Attorney General William French Smith proposed a national ID card to curb illegal immigration. No ID, no job. Anderson caustically suggested an alternative that would be cheaper, lighter weight, impossible to lose, immune to counterfeiting or theft, even waterproof: Just “tattoo an ID number on the inside of everybody’s arm.” Reagan understood the allusion and the idea was never again taken seriously—until now.

Link

38 posted on 07/27/2002 2:30:28 AM PDT by dread78645
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To: LuvItOrLeaveIt

39 posted on 07/27/2002 3:17:00 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: LuvItOrLeaveIt
BTTT
40 posted on 07/27/2002 3:58:28 AM PDT by snowtigger
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