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To: AgThorn
Not just to you, TJ, but to all that think that an ID means the end of freedom as we know it ... the cartoon is most applicable.

I never said that and I would like to know what makes you think that I am a chicken little.

After thinking about your statement (which I never made) that a national ID card would end our freedom as we know it, I would have to conclude that it indeed would. Freedom, as we have known it, never included being required to present a national ID card on demand or reveal all the personal information included on the card. We were free to go where we pleased without identifing ourselves to the government as long as we didn't break any laws. That is freedom as we knew it. That will change.

Now you need to make the case that this is exactly the freedom as we have known it when we lose that ability. Or concede that freedom "as we knew it" will end.

32 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:57 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
My apologies if I read too much into your remark of:
When you hear that they found a national ID card on me, correct them, saying, "it was planted on his body".
Yes, our freedom will be different with a card versus without it. Freedom WITH borders is different than without them. The other extreme is to listen to the one world order types and drop the borders ... we are in an uncomfortable position right now, and I choose better citizen identification.
33 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:15 PM PST by AgThorn
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