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1 posted on 11/10/2001 4:44:12 PM PST by Pokey78
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If push comes to shove can we do without it? Not a chance.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!

Wrongo! We only "can't do without it" if we refuse to develop our own resources. It is a political problem, not a technical problem. Nuclear can provide the bulk of the necessary substitution and many uses of oil are easily replaced by cheap electricity. Even the resulting demand for copper can be replaced with high temperature superconductors and liquid nitrogen requiring... electricity. Many material needs can be replcaced with technology and energy.

2 posted on 11/10/2001 5:07:08 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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A better question is "Can the Saudis and Europe and Asia do without Saudi oil?"
3 posted on 11/10/2001 5:11:38 PM PST by aruanan
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A better question is "Can the Saudis and Europe and Asia do without Saudi oil?"
4 posted on 11/10/2001 5:12:31 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Pokey78; ipaq2000; Lent; veronica; Sabramerican; beowolf; Nachum; BenF; monkeyshine; angelo...
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10 posted on 11/10/2001 5:21:30 PM PST by dennisw
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Oil for Drugs??
11 posted on 11/10/2001 5:22:59 PM PST by maestro
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Yes, we can do without foreign oil, but the price would double or even triple.
12 posted on 11/10/2001 5:26:47 PM PST by razorback-bert
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If the saudis didn't have oil, we wouldn't give a sh*t about them.
17 posted on 11/10/2001 5:36:09 PM PST by hoosierboy
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The question should be can the Saudi's do without US support You cannot eat oil, who would support those computers ??? etc etc... Think about it
18 posted on 11/10/2001 5:37:01 PM PST by qwert
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Putin wants to become best buds with America. The Ruskies have plenty of oil that just needs to be properly pumped out of the ground and refined.
Well then, lets do business with the Ruskies. How better to change enemies into friends than to bring Russia from military enemy/rival to economic friend? Become free-market friends and raise the Ruskies standard of living.
Let the Saudis, Kuwaitis, UAE, Iraq and Iran keep their oil.
19 posted on 11/10/2001 5:37:02 PM PST by RadicalRik
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Canada, although rich in natural gas, has relatively small known reserves of oil that are economically recoverable at anything like current prices.

Prices are not going to be anything like curent prices for very long. So spending the money on a processing capability to recover reserves from oil shale and sand is likely to be a wise investment right now. Another remedy that the author may not be aware of is a process in the testing phase for a new type of tertiary treatment that involves pumping natural gas steam under high pressures into existing depleated formations. As everyone knows, with the maximum treatment previously available, we only recovered about 50% of the reserves before we abandoned production. So as many reserves as have been recovered in the US are now available to recover again, given a sufficient commitment of capital and other resources.

However these are very high risk economic activities. Long term, twenty or thirty years out, the world is in fact awash in oil from the Caspian Sea and the Middle East. New technologies are close that will provide great substitutes for hydrocarbons.

The reasons the Major Oil Companies have left the United States are tax policy and political climate. Domestic energy is no longer an attractive economic activity except for small producers who can focus on Natural Gas.

There needs to be an economic incentive to the developers of these resources that does not depend on the short term tax whims of the US Congress.

In almost any event, you can plan on $5.00 at the pump in the not far distant future if we are very lucky--$17.50 if we are not.

20 posted on 11/10/2001 5:38:59 PM PST by David
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Even these figures understate our dependence on the Saudis. Enough oil is known to exist in the United States to maintain current production levels for about 10 years, and in Canada for about 8 years...

Plenty of time to build a bunch of breeder reactors, if we just get the government (in the hands of the NIMBYs) out of the way.

but it's safe to assume that engines that run on something other than gasoline will not be significant for a good long while. And this irreplaceable gasoline accounts for about 45 percent of all our oil consumption.

What would our situation look like if 100% of our oil went into transportaion? Assume that anything that's stationary and can hook up to the grid is run by coal, hydro, wind or nuclear.

Bringing back the nuclear industry is now a national security issue - something the French and Japanese have understood for a long time.

21 posted on 11/10/2001 5:44:19 PM PST by N00dleN0gg1n
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When in Germany, their gas was costing the $5 per gallon cited at the end of the article. They are thoroughly addicted to mideast oil, and their foreign policy reflects it.

How to rid the habit is like with smoking. Either you're smoking or you're not. Either you're using oil from the cartel or you're not.

22 posted on 11/10/2001 5:45:36 PM PST by xzins
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Can We Do Without Saudi Oil?

No better than they can do without our dollars.

23 posted on 11/10/2001 5:47:25 PM PST by paul51
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Drill the ANWR!
Gotta go now and change my oil.
24 posted on 11/10/2001 5:48:57 PM PST by WalterSkinner
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We seriously have to think going nuclear and electric as a stop gap measure. By nuclear and electric, I mean, building a sh!t load of nuclear plants, giving tax incentives to businesses and individuals who buy electric powered cars, that are powered from nuclear energy.

Every new bus in this country should be electric. Doesn't even have to be fuel cell. Could be the overhead electric powered buses that are in some cities. If there is a will, there is a way. In addition we tap the Artic and flip the bird at Saudi Arabia.

If we start seriously on the telecommuting, carpooling, converting to electric vehicles (where it's feasable), we can reduce our foreign oil imports.

25 posted on 11/10/2001 5:59:19 PM PST by dogbyte12
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We could double the gas mileage in cars and we would still use about the same amount of oil. Americans will simply drive more. It's sort of like "low-fat" ice cream, all that means to most Americans is that we can eat twice as much!

Maybe the best thing that can happen to America right now is higher oil prices. Only with higher prices will Americans cut back on their oil usage. More importantly, higher oil prices will provide the necessary economic pressure to develop not only domestic oil production but also alternative forms of energy. We have the basic technology in place for solar heating, hydrogen fuel cells and other forms of energy production. All that is holding these technologies back is the low price of oil. Why invest in solar power when oil is so cheap and plentiful?

The United States has long been known for its inventiveness and ingenuity. I'm sure we will be amazed by just how fast we respond to a full-blown energy crisis with new energy sources and technologies.

26 posted on 11/10/2001 6:00:45 PM PST by SamAdams76
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It also leaves us with one overriding strategic imperative: We must make clear that in the event of an upheaval in Saudi Arabia, we will take control of, protect, and run the kingdom's oil fields, which American oil companies originally developed after paying substantial sums for the right to do so. This may be a difficult policy to defend in the post-imperialist era, but that doesn't make planning for this contingency any less necessary. Our State Department is creative; surely, if called upon, it would be able to figure out an arrangement for operating the oilfields that would safeguard our supply and win the blessing of a revenue-hungry regime with a stake in the continued flow of oil. And surely such a regime, if it did not exist, could be invented.

Surely a regime such as this would distribute its billions among the oppressed masses of the Middle East.

38 posted on 11/10/2001 6:39:02 PM PST by RobbyS
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Can We Do Without Saudi Oil?

I dunno.

Can we do without wasting energy?

41 posted on 11/10/2001 6:45:19 PM PST by Age of Reason
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Alas, Yes...

I don't know where these people are getting their information, but the American Petroleum Institute says the United States has about a 70 year domestic oil reserve, and proven reserves of American oil are increasing each year, not declining. North America, including Canada and Mexico, has about a 200 year oil reserve. This war is about terrorism, not oil.

The world now has about an 805 year oil supply.

American Petroleum Institute.

For the webTVers:

http://www.api.org/edu/factsoil.htm

44 posted on 11/10/2001 6:50:02 PM PST by Terrorista Nada
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You never know what you can do until you try.
46 posted on 11/10/2001 6:51:37 PM PST by bannie
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