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Hijackers' bodies set Bush grisly ethical question
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 10/06/2001 | DAMIAN WHITWORTH

Posted on 10/05/2001 4:51:32 PM PDT by Pokey78

IN carefully numbered plastic bags in refrigerated trucks parked at the mortuary at Dover Air Force base in Delaware sit human remains that have presented the Bush Adminstration with an ethical problem.

US investigators told The Times that they had certainly recovered, if not yet identified, the bodies of several of the suicide hijackers, prompting a debate over how to dispose of what is left of the most hated men in America.

The excavation of the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites was completed this week after forensics experts concluded that they had removed all body parts from both scenes. Officials said that although many of the remains were fragmented and charred, DNA tests would eventually identify all of the victims. The bodies of the men who killed them would also be identified, if only by a process of elimination.

The Administration is worried that if it gives the bodies to their families to bury there will be a public outcry. There are also concerns that other Islamic extremists would regard their graves as shrines.

The remains from the plans that crash into Pentagon and in Pennsylvania are being organised at the mortuary at Dover. Some have been identified by traditional methods, such as fingerprints, dental records and other distinguishing features.

Already hundreds of fragments have been taken in test tubes to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) laboratories in Rockville, Maryland, for DNA testing. The institute identified all 230 victims of TWA 800 flight, after that aircraft exploded and the fragments plunged into Long Island Sound in 1996.

Paul Sledzik, the forensic anthropologist who led the search for the 44 passengers, crew and hijackers on board Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania, said that he was confident “we are likely to get 44 unique DNA profiles”. Scientists will use genetic material taken from the victims’ possessions, including razors and toothbrushes, or from their relatives, to make DNA matches that reveal the identities of the victims.

The FBI is believed to be extremely anxious to identify the bodies of the hijackers, especially as there are still doubts about some of their identities and there could be trials of other conspirators.

If relatives are persuaded to co-operate in providing reference samples, or the hijackers have left behind genetic material on possessions, the FBI believes that they could be identified.

Even if the identities are not clarified, the authorities will be left with the remains of nine hijackers from the two sites.

There is a precedent for handing over the remains of even the most notorious figures in American life. The body of Gamil el-Batouty, the co-pilot of EgyptAir Flight 990, who apparently committed suicide by crashing the aircraft into the Atlantic in 1999, was quietly returned to his family in Egypt last year for a private burial.

Even the nation’s most loathed murderers are allowed burial after execution.

Chris Kelly of the AFIP indicated that the authorities were reluctant to consider releasing the hijackers’ bodies. “We are not quite sure what will happen to them,” he said, but “we doubt very much we are going to be making an effort to reach family members over there.”

A source close to the investigation said: “There is this idea that if America is a country of justice it should not be seen to stop the mothers of even the worst monsters from burying their sons, but people would be outraged if these men were handed over for a Muslim burial.”

The Justice Department declined to return calls requesting comment on what it planned to do with the hijackers’ bodies. In the short term the remains are likely to be held for several years, in case of legal proceedings.

Mohammed Atta, the suspected ringleader of the hijackers who died in the first plane to hit the World Trade Centre, laid out strict instructions for his funeral in his will, revealed this week.

The likelihood of any sort of burial of his body is, however, vastly diminished by the difficulties of retrieving remains at the World Trade Centre. Of the more than 5,000 who died there, fewer than 400 bodies have been identified.


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To: Pokey78
Isn't there some Muslim custom about being buried within 24 hours of death? It seems like I remember that from the Princess Di / Dodi Fayed (sp??) accident. I wonder what the significance of that is?
41 posted on 10/05/2001 5:19:31 PM PDT by TX Bluebonnet
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To: Pokey78
The body of Gamil el-Batouty, the co-pilot of EgyptAir Flight 990, who apparently committed suicide by crashing the aircraft into the Atlantic in 1999, was quietly returned to his family in Egypt last year for a private burial.

Shouldn't that say "murder-suicide"???

42 posted on 10/05/2001 5:19:44 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: jammer
But that would be cruel to the pigs. Instead, pack the remains in lard and return them to their families. (Extra credit: Booby-trap the containers so that they explode when opened.)
43 posted on 10/05/2001 5:19:44 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Pokey78
Feed the remains to pigs. Then collect the pig feces, wrap them in old issues of "Hustler" and ship it collect to the families.

Top that one, FReepers!

44 posted on 10/05/2001 5:20:15 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: clintonh8r
Have Larry Flynt be the courier? ;)
45 posted on 10/05/2001 5:21:41 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Pokey78
We are wasting money refrigerating them. Feed them to the hogs.
46 posted on 10/05/2001 5:22:31 PM PDT by FSPress
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To: william clark
"How about cremation, followed by mixing their ashes into the porcelain used for special toilets to be installed in the women's restrooms at Yankee Stadium. "

Next to Jimmy Hoffa?

47 posted on 10/05/2001 5:26:24 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: He Rides A White Horse
How about we have Jackie Mason videotape a comedy roast eulogy for each one and send the tape to the families?
48 posted on 10/05/2001 5:28:06 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: Pokey78
Auction them off on eBay with the proceeds going to the widows and children of the policemen and fireman killed.
49 posted on 10/05/2001 5:29:36 PM PDT by jaime1959
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To: Colorado Doug
Bury them in pigskin body bags.

Throw a soiled sanitary napkin in each bag.

50 posted on 10/05/2001 5:30:29 PM PDT by FrogMom
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To: clintonh8r
How about mixing the remains with pork fat and inserting the mix in the food packages we're sending over there ... and let them know it.
51 posted on 10/05/2001 5:31:02 PM PDT by ~Peter
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To: null and void
It doesn't matter what you or I believe. What matters is what they believe...

True but I could see where this thread was going so I offered a different view.

52 posted on 10/05/2001 5:31:17 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: clintonh8r
Feed the remains to pigs. Then collect the pig feces, wrap them in old issues of "Hustler" and ship it collect to the families.

You're good! Remind me not to get you ticked at me!

53 posted on 10/05/2001 5:31:34 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: LisaFab
Thanks. Couldn't quite figure out how to work pigs in there, but now that I think about it, the number of hot dogs alone consumed at the games would...
54 posted on 10/05/2001 5:33:45 PM PDT by william clark
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To: Pokey78
There is precedent. The bodies of the executed Nazi war criminals (and Hermann Goering, who cheated the hangman with a cyanide capsule) were burnt and the ashes scattered secretly on the river Isar on a moonless night, from a place that has never been revealed.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

55 posted on 10/05/2001 5:34:00 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: william clark
How about cremation, followed by mixing their ashes into the porcelain used for special toilets to be installed in the women's restrooms at Yankee Stadium.

That is particularly vile and disgusting ... I like it !

56 posted on 10/05/2001 5:34:28 PM PDT by fnord
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To: william clark
Deep fry them in hog fat.
57 posted on 10/05/2001 5:34:59 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Pokey78
Oh Jesus! Now we're supposed to be concerned about our enemies' feelings!

I hope this thread doesn't last long. I could get into serious trouble with the thought police in here. < /sarcasm >

58 posted on 10/05/2001 5:35:45 PM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: Pokey78
Don't desecrate them in any way, but bury them in a secret location, and tell absolutely nobody, not even the families, where they are.
59 posted on 10/05/2001 5:36:54 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: FSPress
Feed them to the hogs.

Why should we abuse the hogs?

60 posted on 10/05/2001 5:37:30 PM PDT by MediaMole
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