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1 posted on 10/04/2001 9:38:13 PM PDT by kattracks
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Good for them. I don't generally like union work stoppages, but I'm wholeheartedly behind this one.
2 posted on 10/04/2001 9:41:46 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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3 posted on 10/04/2001 9:42:21 PM PDT by Skibane
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bttt
4 posted on 10/04/2001 9:42:51 PM PDT by jimkress
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Senator Gephardt....care to repeat that comment for the pilots union?
5 posted on 10/04/2001 9:45:01 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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BANG!
6 posted on 10/04/2001 9:45:12 PM PDT by JeepInMazar
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They've got my backing! Senators Reid and Ensign will get faxes in 10 minutes.
8 posted on 10/04/2001 9:47:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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But, but...if we arm pilots, we'll have to arm bus drivers, then the cab drivers and pizza delivery guys. Before you know it, we'll have an armed citizenry! We can't do that--why, it's downright CONSTITUTIONAL!!
9 posted on 10/04/2001 9:48:02 PM PDT by randog
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As one pilot pointed out to me last week, there are no air marshalls on cargo aircraft. Even so, many of these planes are just as vulnerable to hijacking as the passenger flights — perhaps even more so, since there are no passengers to thwart a hijack attempt. Apparently, many of these planes have pressurized cargo compartments, making stowaways a possibility. On these flights, an armed flight crew is the first, last, and only line of defense.
10 posted on 10/04/2001 9:48:17 PM PDT by Skibane
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But... but this was all settled in a few rooms in Washington D.C.
These guys must think they are still in a free country or something!
13 posted on 10/04/2001 9:52:43 PM PDT by RickGee
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bang!
14 posted on 10/04/2001 9:55:42 PM PDT by Bob Evans
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ABOUT DAMN TIME.

Every Freeper needs to contact his/her congresscritter to keep this moving.

If they won't do this on their own, let's make 'em a deal they can't refuse.

9-11 DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN -- DAMN IT!

15 posted on 10/04/2001 9:58:23 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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My choice for cockpit protection

17 posted on 10/04/2001 10:00:12 PM PDT by Fred
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For once, I agree with a Union! Go, Pilots, Go!

But, it seems to me, that somehow in all our high techiness - America should be able to figure out a surefire way to de-activate any hijacker who makes a threatening move. Surely we can come up with sensors that when set off automatically seek out and find someone using violence - and somehow visitng that someone with some kind of high voltage shock or perhaps very high pitched sound - or both.

18 posted on 10/04/2001 10:00:23 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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What if ALL of us protested in this fashion...?
23 posted on 10/04/2001 10:04:52 PM PDT by wayne_shrugged
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"Arming pilots introduces the element of “risk, fear and doubt” into the mind of a potential hijacker, he said."

It'll also put a quick end to the scheme if they don't get the hints.

24 posted on 10/04/2001 10:08:47 PM PDT by spunkets
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What's the big decision here?

Aren't most commercial pilots former officers in the military? Aren't many active officers in the National Guard? Haven't they received military training?

If we can't trust officers with weaponry, who the heck can we entrust?

At the very least, those current officers in the Air National Guard should be required to carry weapons as part of our new National Defense.

28 posted on 10/04/2001 10:13:59 PM PDT by spald
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Good for the pilots, they must be armed. It is the most secure option. (combined with cockpit security).

Here are my answers to the common stupid reasons for not arming airline :

Stupid Reason #1. Pilots can't be forced to be armed. It should be voluntary.

A #1. Does the same logic apply to other jobs? What about bank security guards" or Secret Service officers? Should they be allowed to keep their jobs if they refuse to carry? I say No, and they should be well-trained.

Stupid Reason #2. We'd be leaving ourselves open to the threat of terrorist infiltration of air marshall ranks.

A #2. Or an ever bigger threat, hijackers impersonating air marshalls. If marshalls are undercover the crew doesn't know who they are. What does a crew person do if they see an armed passenger? Assume they are air marshalls? What if they aren't?

Stupid Reason #3. It seems that some people have had the ability to steal airline uniforms and credentials. Such a successful imposter would be able to take a firearm on a plane.

A #3. What about imposter air marshalls? They don't even have uniforms, they are undercover. How hard can it be to fake an air marshall ID? How does the crew decide between the real air marshall and the fake one who is a suicide bomber?

Stupid Reason #4. Anyone can impersonate a pilot and get a gun on board.

A #4. If the imposter pilot successfully gets on board, is in the cockpit and has total control of the plane already, WHAT DOES HE NEED A GUN FOR?

A Note about Undercover Sky Marshalls:

My argument against undercover sky marshalls is: How are the crew going to know who is a undercover sky marshall and who is an undercover suicide bomber?

Let's say that a hijacker has a gun on board and is spotted by one of the crew. Should they feel safe? What if said hijacker pulls out official (fake) Air Marshall ID and presents it to the crew and says that they need to talk to the pilot because they saw something out of the ordinary in Row 3? And then proceeds to pop the unarmed pilot. And drive it into the Sears Tower. Couldn't happen? Why not?

IMHO, pilots should be forced to carry-- it is a job requirement-- and they should be the only ones to carry. They should also be locked in the cockpit for the duration of the flight. Problem solved

29 posted on 10/04/2001 10:14:03 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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Besides their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, I want my pilots armed!
32 posted on 10/04/2001 10:15:29 PM PDT by onyx
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Good for them. They need to do it. I'd feel better knowing or not knowing if they were armed. Hell, my life is in his hands anyway.

Only stupid liberal winnies have a problem with it, and under the guidelines spelled out, it would be a great thing.

40 posted on 10/04/2001 10:19:49 PM PDT by madison46
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Maybe the passengers should refuse to fly until they can carry also?

If an armed society is a polite society, an armed society on an airplane will probably be just as polite.

I do not recall any phrase in the Second Amendment which says government gets to choose which "special" group of citizens "is allowed" to carry -- we all are allowed to carry!

For the want of four pistols, nearly 7,000 people lost their lives! How tragic. How utterly stupid!

Government at its best!

44 posted on 10/04/2001 10:23:21 PM PDT by Taxman
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