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Pilots threaten to stop service if kept unarmed
Union Leader ^ | 10/05/01 | KATHRYN MARCHOCKI

Posted on 10/04/2001 9:38:13 PM PDT by kattracks

Commercial airline pilots will be asked to suspend air service if they cannot have trained, armed pilots in the cockpits, a New Hampshire pilot said.

A resolution that will be circulated among the various councils of the 67,000-member Air Line Pilots Association this month asks federal regulations be changed to allow for the voluntary arming of flight crew members, Robert Giuda, a United Airlines captain of Warren said.

“Had we had armed pilots on Sept. 11, we wouldn’t have the horrific tragedy that we’re dealing with at this point,” Giuda said of the four hijacked jetliners.

Pilots would first get training in firearms by the FBI and would use their weapons only to defend against an attempted breach of the cockpit, the resolution said.

The resolution also calls for federal licensing of pilots to carry concealed weapons and for the government to indemnify air carriers and their employees against the legitimate use of a firearm.

If those steps are not carried out, the resolution calls for “a national suspension of air service, at such times and in such manner as is deemed appropriate by the leadership of the Air Line Pilots Association.”

“We’re hearing members of Congress say they don’t want a bunch of armed hooligans running around,” said Giuda, a New Hampshire state representative.

He said there was “no more professionalized, highly-scrutinized group of people in the world than airline pilots.”

The security of the flight deck cannot depend solely on armed sky marshals, he said.

Sky marshals can be picked out of a crowd and, if overpowered, would provide a hijacker with a weapon, Giuda said.

“It’s time to throw the gauntlet to the mat. We are going to get politicized into unarmed cockpits and then we’ll get shot with the guns the marshals used because they will be taken away from them,” he added.

Arming pilots introduces the element of “risk, fear and doubt” into the mind of a potential hijacker, he said.


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1 posted on 10/04/2001 9:38:13 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Good for them. I don't generally like union work stoppages, but I'm wholeheartedly behind this one.
2 posted on 10/04/2001 9:41:46 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: bang_list
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3 posted on 10/04/2001 9:42:21 PM PDT by Skibane
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To: kattracks
bttt
4 posted on 10/04/2001 9:42:51 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: kattracks
Senator Gephardt....care to repeat that comment for the pilots union?
5 posted on 10/04/2001 9:45:01 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: kattracks
BANG!
6 posted on 10/04/2001 9:45:12 PM PDT by JeepInMazar
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
I don't generally like union work stoppages, but I'm wholeheartedly behind this one.

I think they should be fired if they refuse to fly. Who elected them to make these policy decisions? They are 10 folks who would be eager to take the place of each of them, sans guns unless and until the public square deemed it prudent.

7 posted on 10/04/2001 9:45:49 PM PDT by Torie
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To: kattracks
They've got my backing! Senators Reid and Ensign will get faxes in 10 minutes.
8 posted on 10/04/2001 9:47:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: kattracks
But, but...if we arm pilots, we'll have to arm bus drivers, then the cab drivers and pizza delivery guys. Before you know it, we'll have an armed citizenry! We can't do that--why, it's downright CONSTITUTIONAL!!
9 posted on 10/04/2001 9:48:02 PM PDT by randog
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To: kattracks
As one pilot pointed out to me last week, there are no air marshalls on cargo aircraft. Even so, many of these planes are just as vulnerable to hijacking as the passenger flights — perhaps even more so, since there are no passengers to thwart a hijack attempt. Apparently, many of these planes have pressurized cargo compartments, making stowaways a possibility. On these flights, an armed flight crew is the first, last, and only line of defense.
10 posted on 10/04/2001 9:48:17 PM PDT by Skibane
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To: Arkinsaw
There's a whole lot of anti-gunners who don't dig what the pilots have to say about this. Bummer!!
11 posted on 10/04/2001 9:49:12 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: Torie
If I had a life and death issue at my workplace, I think I'd want a say in its resolution as well. No one elected them, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't primarily involved in issues of their working conditions -- especially life and death issues.
12 posted on 10/04/2001 9:49:44 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: kattracks
But... but this was all settled in a few rooms in Washington D.C.
These guys must think they are still in a free country or something!
13 posted on 10/04/2001 9:52:43 PM PDT by RickGee
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To: kattracks
bang!
14 posted on 10/04/2001 9:55:42 PM PDT by Bob Evans
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To: kattracks
ABOUT DAMN TIME.

Every Freeper needs to contact his/her congresscritter to keep this moving.

If they won't do this on their own, let's make 'em a deal they can't refuse.

9-11 DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN -- DAMN IT!

15 posted on 10/04/2001 9:58:23 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Torie
Well, you can bet that if airline pilots' unions stage large-scale job actions or everyone calls in sick for a few days, there won't be too many airlines left anyway.

And if they try to fly these planes with replacement pilots, I'm sure there won't be too many people flying with them.

16 posted on 10/04/2001 9:58:54 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: kattracks

My choice for cockpit protection

17 posted on 10/04/2001 10:00:12 PM PDT by Fred
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To: kattracks
For once, I agree with a Union! Go, Pilots, Go!

But, it seems to me, that somehow in all our high techiness - America should be able to figure out a surefire way to de-activate any hijacker who makes a threatening move. Surely we can come up with sensors that when set off automatically seek out and find someone using violence - and somehow visitng that someone with some kind of high voltage shock or perhaps very high pitched sound - or both.

18 posted on 10/04/2001 10:00:23 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Torie
When did you go off of the deep end! You're prepared to have passenger jets shot down by our fighters if terrorists gain control of the jets, but you don't think it is justified for the pilots to constitute a last line of defense in the cockpits before a jet is shot down.

What you just said doesn't make sense. And I have to say I am surprised cuz usually you make sense. The whole point of this is that we shouldn't act like victims. And to rely solely on Air Marshals for the defense of passenger jets is a recipe for victimhood.

19 posted on 10/04/2001 10:00:39 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Torie
Just a question Torie, but do you own any guns?
20 posted on 10/04/2001 10:03:02 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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